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- Oct 5, 2013
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I just finished a tutoring session. Will post my thoughts when I'm done finishing up the last things
Not sure about him, but if Pikochu is lynched and flips town, then Pika is likely town as well. If Pikochu is scum, then he's worth taking a close look at.What about the rest of the thread? What are your thoughts on pika pika?
At the time, there were only 4 votes on Max I think. Most of the remaining votes came after he claimed jester. I wasn't sure Max was scum, and since I wasn't sure if I would be able to get back online before the phase ended, I didn't want to put a vote on him that could theoretically be used by scum to mislynch.I told Calvin the same thing though, there is no reason not to vote someone if you suspect them. You joining the wagon makes it easier for scum, yet it turned big pretty quickly so the only reason to avoid it is if you're scum.
This is an absolutely terrible reason to join a wagon, especially without giving a reason for your vote. And I would like to know why you want to vote Darth.Vote: Pikochu
Forgot to add my vote, I'd prefer Darth tbh but may as well jump on the wagon
Maybe taking advantage, but there's no twisting going on.Holy fuck, I did not expect a wagon to form on me. I swear, scum must be taking advantage of what I said and twist what I said.
I see why you were frustrated, but there are definitely better ways to try and suss him out besides "vig him". As for the reads list, it may have been a way to spark conversation, but it seemed more like CWAC to me. I think it's more useful to just focus on scummy behavior this early on rather than a full reads list.For the record, I still more or less standby what I said about the bomb. Yes, it was poor judgment to say that vig should do that. That being said, the fact that the bomb claim is just near impossible to test without serious consequences just annoyed me. In hindsight, and I shouldn't have suggested that publicly this early in the game but I said it. Personally, I don't care if it makes me look scummy, I'm more or less standing by my comments that vig should kill Contrainer, or at least have someone investigate for sure Contrainer is what the claim is.
As to my read being fake, why in the world would I post a reads list if there isn't quite a reason too. It draws more attention and subjects myself to ridicule. Posting a reads list forces me to take a stance and while it's a disagreement, the fact about the stances I take, at least it's something to work off of and perhaps to get the conversation going. At the time, the conversation wasn't really going anywhere.
Anyways, take that for what you will. At least I'm not being complacent of what's happening and at least have something new to analyze.
So you thought the bomb joke was maent to distract town? From what?The reason why I thought Zinn is slightly scum because something was off. Zinn was joking about the bomb thing which sadly became a point of contention. I mean the fact that we are having this conversation if this was a joke is quite concerning and feel as it was meant to be a distraction.
Why do you think scum is/was influencing the Piko wagon? Don't you agree that Piko's comments were bad? It's such a low hanging fruit that I don't know how much influence scum could even have.Ok so this piko wagon is bullshit and definitely has scum influencing it. I'll have to look back to see what stands out most. I'll be back but I'm definitely on piko's side here.
I certainly had confidence at the time of my vote on Pikochu, so I wasn't just joining a wagon, I was voting to lynch scum (in my mind). Plus it was early in the phase, unlike D1 when I chose not to vote Max. My final comment about it being "on the nose" was my brain popping up with :would scum make such an obviously scummy comment?", so I added that, but it wasn't enough to take away from my vote.Had to go back to find this, but I believe your vote is number 5 on the Pikochu wagon, over a third of the game. You posted about not wanting to join the Max one despite finding him anti-town when he had about 6 votes. I get that it's not D1 anymore, but it's the timing of the vote in that you're doing this vote while responding to my post about "why didn't you vote despite finding Max suspicious" that makes me a little paranoid that this is to avoid drawing attention to a lack of voting again, partly because you haven't provided any thoughts on players other than the majority wagons of each phase so far and the Piko vote is a little sheepy IMO (and maybe even a little wishy-washy on that last part?).
I have a question for you: Do you think ZinnLav's vanilla CC on D1 was BS? I don't think that scum would try a CC like that on day 1. Yes it's a bit WIFOM but still a question to ask.Vote: ZinnLav
Thank you for posting this, it's a good explanation of why I didn't join the Max wagon on day 1, and also why large wagons in the early game can be detrimental to town.Not necessarily. There are plenty of wagons town won’t join just because there is no point. In fact keeping the wagon smaller allows us to actually be able to look at it in case of a mislynch. Though with a large wagon it doesn’t make anyone more or less scummy in case of a mislynch since it’s just too large.
Yeah, I'll admit that I probably didn't set that entire paragraph up very well. Just saying Pika and Piko rather than Pika Pika and Pikochu also likely did not help for clarity.f I did I think Piko understood it wrongly as well, because I feel like my interpretation was heavily influenced by how he reacted. Going back to check it I see now that you clarified it for him and I missed it somehow.
@Pikochu, for someone who isn't willing to get lynched quietly I'm kinda surprised you haven't voted already.Pikochu (4): Megapod, Contrainer, jdthebud, ZinnLav
Megapod (2): Pika_pika42, FinalArcadia
ZinnLav (4): Midorikawa, Darthwolf, Lone_Garurumon, ExLight
Not voting: Officer Snake, Pikochu
Of course they can, but they way piko reacted feels like a tosn about to be mislynched and not scum about to break.Can mafia not make emotional posts? What makes it a townie post if it’s written by emotion?
You mean his stating he's one of the few people actually moving this game forward?Piko lies and tried to make himself look town leader type when he’s done nothing.
Do you think Pikochu could be town then and Pika Pika mafia?
Both quotes are to Lone but you basically answer your own question here. What's up with that?Though Pika could easily be defending to look more townie if Piko flips town. The Pika could still be mafia.
Ok who has a survivor in their game?Ok, first things first, I'm a Survivor
Either the quote was screwed up or I don't remember what this was agreeing on and what I wanted to say. Will comment on this after posting.I approve
I wouldn't say they were great indeed but didn't immediately stand out as bad to me, especially this early. What particular parts stand out to you...Why do you think scum is/was influencing the Piko wagon? Don't you agree that Piko's comments were bad? It's such a low hanging fruit that I don't know how much influence scum could even have.
I didn't see it as a CC in the first place. He stated it but just like with Max I believed there was more to it. Now that we know Max had his reasons for it, it only strengthens that idea on zinn. It's a simple claim and would easily benefit a GF. Vanilla claims are always something to be weary of, unless you know the game isn't role heavy.I have a question for you: Do you think ZinnLav's vanilla CC on D1 was BS? I don't think that scum would try a CC like that on day 1. Yes it's a bit WIFOM but still a question to ask.
Could we get a vote count?Just under 4 hours left.
I'll allow it, as long as they do not indicate which game, character or host their role comes from.@AussieEevee are people allowed to claim their role got altered?
Pikochu : Megapod, Contrainer, jdthebud, ZinnLav,Could we get a vote count?
That's it. I think there might be something going on and/or missing between the interaction with jd. I just don't know what to pin it too.This is an absolutely terrible reason to join a wagon, especially without giving a reason for your vote. And I would like to know why you want to vote Darth.
What particular parts stand out to you...
Uhoh I just said the words with lone in the game.
OH THANK GOD.I'll allow it, as long as they do not indicate which game, character or host their role comes from.
Honestly, I didn't know how to read jd earlier, it was a bit here and there but his latest post in which he answers all the questions and clears all matters addressed to him makes me feel better about him. He actually explained his view about voting Pikochu albeit with some apprehension, I believe this to be true for now.Mido tries to get more out of jd here but no response so far iirc. The doubtfulness makes me doubt though, is that a scum move trying to back off a bit to play it safe with a nonsenseical comment or is it a town vote who doesn't feel confindent since town doesn't know the answer? I would like to hear thoughts from you guys on this one. Leaving it be for now.
Mostly because of the claim and the timing of the claim. Although, a Mafia can fake claim to be a Vanilla, it would still be a bold move because Max had already claimed it and was getting some heat for it, no reason for Mafia to jump in with another vanilla claim and drive attention onto themselves.Also I've seen people claim thinking zinn is town, why is that cause I don't see it.
Not sure, it was mostly a guess. Tbh, if I were mafia, I would have gone for you irrespective of the claim.But I’m not a threat in 1 day. No one is. And with roles that we can’t even guess floating out there, it still comes off as a weird guess. The wording sounds way too sure.
But killing a null read only shortens the pool of suspects and makes the mafia more prone to be lynched whereas killing a town looking person is an obvious scum move because that's the one which really benefits them.Why not? Killing a null read would make him look like a mistaken townie. Killing a town looking person is the easy way out and an obvious scum move.
That was not my point. I was just saying that it looked like a statement made in annoyance rather than an actual serious suggestion. As for Mafia being annoyed by the Bomb claim, it's easier for them to know if Contrainer is Town or Mafia, plus they could also role cop him or something for more info. Unfortunately, Town can't do much with the bomb claim, so it makes sense for Town to be more annoyed when a person makes a bomb claim in a weird manner, without fully backing it up and without providing any other thoughts.Annoyed? So what? Mafia can’t be annoyed by a bomb claim?
Town can make scummy comments too.
- Piko made a scummy comment
- Piko made a bs reads list
- Piko lies and tried to make himself look town leader type when he’s done nothing.
That's it? Would really like it if you give some more thoughts on current scenario rather than just a reads list (based on what several people have actually said). This doesn't seem like you, MegaPod. You are usually far more active and assertive than this. You seem kind of half-hearted in this game for some reason, which is making me feel more suspicious about you.Hmm, reads ya say? Well I'll probably need some time to go over the thread again and solidify my reads, but here's a few that stand out to me:
Darth, I think you seem pretty Towny with your arguments and pushing for answers to try and solve the game. Mido too, and her Miller claim before everyone was even around makes her especially trustworthy. I agree that Zinn isn't looking too good right now, especially with the unexplained insinuation that you're Mafia. And as it's been pointed out, Pika's points in favor of Piko aren't incredibly strong, and he's worth further scrutiny if Piko flips Mafia.
Yeah, that's why I call Pikochu my cousin brother lol.Yeah, I'll admit that I probably didn't set that entire paragraph up very well. Just saying Pika and Piko rather than Pika Pika and Pikochu also likely did not help for clarity.
What does the "especially not from Pika" part mean? Does it mean that you would find it more likely if someone else would have done it? If yes, why not from me? I get it that you are speaking in my favour, but I don't understand the meaning here.I mean, it's certainly not impossible, but I don't find it likely, especially not from Pika.
Ok, why did you feel like claiming now instead of D1 where we actually had some discussion related to the presence of indeps in this game?Ok, first things first, I'm a Survivor, I'm gonna make it, I will Survive, keep on Survivin'. I'm not entirely sure why I chose now to claim this, just that my gut says do it now. I figured townsiding would be the best path to victory, and thus, just basically plating like Town would.
Idk why but this statement makes me very suspicious and paranoid about you.I don't know if a standard Survivor ever existed in any of the games any of you submitted. Basically I was kinda paranoid that you might realise that a Survivor never existed once we mass claim the submitted games (I'm expecting that to happen eventually), and you'd all conclude I was lying and kill me because of that.