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Vote: Pikochu
Forgot to add my vote, I'd prefer Darth tbh but may as well jump on the wagon
Forgot to add my vote, I'd prefer Darth tbh but may as well jump on the wagon
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his and like one other post saying he thought Max's jester thing was a joke is all Officer Snake has done, which isn't really much either. It doesn't even give much of a solid stance on Max, since it's not saying his claim is legit, but it's not saying that it isn't (or, I guess, wasn't) either. And yet he didn't comment on anything or anyone else. Also, he kept his joke vote on me the entire phase, even when it was supposedly a joke vote at the beginning, which doesn't exactly give me town vibes on him either
There is some serious Piko defending going on here. Feels like Pika and Piko are buddies....so basically pikachu is scum.....
Life is a lie.
Seriously though I think we might have two scum here.
Not only is the Vigging the Bomb suggestion a little sketchy since there’s possible Mafia motivation behind it, but it’s pretty much ofca stretch from him to suggest that Zinn meant to coax out the Bomb claim in the first place with his joking remark. Especially since he starts his so-called analysis of Zinn by saying he rubs off as Town, but concludes that he’s a slight scum read. I don’t really buy it.
I mean if so that makes me basically confirmed then. Or I'm just that good at curveballs
Piko was town, well, why not just take the lynch? He started the defence back when it was still very feasible to get the wagon to move.
That statement is just as scummy as "Vig should target Contrainer to test bomb"
You kinda didn't though. Half your reads were nulls.Posting a reads list forces me to take a stance
Zinn didn't start it though. Contrainer did with his not-claim waaaaaaay back hereThe reason why I thought Zinn is slightly scum because something was off. Zinn was joking about the bomb thing which sadly became a point of contention. I mean the fact that we are having this conversation if this was a joke is quite concerning and feel as it was meant to be a distraction.
Zinn may have prompted the full claim by joking about Max being a bomb, but Contrainer made the type of role he was very obvious beforehand.I'm not going to claim, but do not vig me.
Unvote
I meant as in: If Piko was Town, why would Pika go to the trouble of defending you, and not simply take the lynch and get rid of a townie with no resistance?WTF Are you serious?
Why the hell would I take the lynch if I was town? That statement is just as scummy as "Vig should target Contrainer to test bomb" man.
We've seen that Eevee can adjust roles so that isn't reliable sadly.tbh I think Piko and Darth are Mafia :v
Also I'm gonna go ahead and claim the game I submitted. Black Butler Mafia, of which Elizabeth Midford from that game who was a Bomb could very well be Contrainer. The way the role worked in my game was that it'd only trigger on a night attack. So day lynching would be safe, but at the same time there's little reason to do so if it fits. Did anyone else submit a game that had a bomb in it?
Wait what?Vote: Pikochu
Forgot to add my vote, I'd prefer Darth tbh but may as well jump on the wagon
We vote him at a later point, not to worry about right now. He's not the only scum.How the fuck are we supposed to stop something like that?
You kinda didn't though. Half your reads were nulls.
Zinn may have prompted the full claim by joking about Max being a bomb, but Contrainer made the type of role he was very obvious beforehand.
I meant as in: If Piko was Town, why would Pika go to the trouble of defending you, and not simply take the lynch and get rid of a townie with no resistance?
My game was Gundam SEED Mafia, and it also had a bomb that activated at night only (Athrun Zala was the role).Also I'm gonna go ahead and claim the game I submitted. Black Butler Mafia, of which Elizabeth Midford from that game who was a Bomb could very well be Contrainer. The way the role worked in my game was that it'd only trigger on a night attack. So day lynching would be safe, but at the same time there's little reason to do so if it fits. Did anyone else submit a game that had a bomb in it?
Pointing out scumreads seems more productive (usually) than townreads when we've got to figure out who to lynch. How is that backtracking? Or rather, what am I backtracking? I also don't understand what this has to do with the Officer Snake topic that you quoted me on. I already said at least twice that ZinnLav is feeling very town to me, and in D1 I said that Midorikawa's un-CC'd miller claim is seemingly solid. Others I townread are ExLight (who I don't always agree with in regards to some stuff like Contrainer, but their posts seem to legitimately be wanting to help town figure things out) and leaning town on Lone_Garurumon (though this is a cautious town-lean because I watched Ocarina of Time Mafia to a degree and would've thought he was town there). Contrainer I still get the feeling is likely just misplaying as town too.I notice that you haven't said much about the other players who have more to say. All you're really doing is pointing out who are your scumreads as if you're trying to backtrack. Why not state some of your town reads too and why?
To be fair, my vote on Pikochu wasn't really related to the Contrainer vig thing so much as the way he seemed to give off an illusion of being more of a townleader than he is and has been when I feel like much of his content to that point has either seemed distracted or paraphrasing other people. But regardless, I just don't see Contrainer being the type as scum to make that claim (especially that early). When the options for Contrainer are either power role, actually bomb, or lying scum, 2/3 is risky enough to check that I frankly don't know what to do about him and am just kind of ignoring him for now, especially when I honestly could see him telling the truth but making some very silly plays along the way. He was town in Hydra Mafia that I was in and did some very odd moves as town, and it got him and his partner killed. This reminds me of that.The whole wagon is happening because he suspected Contrainer's not to be true, and I do feel his worries are justified. As I said before, and got me ignored, it's stupid to believe a Bomb would be afraid of another Bomb, I'm so fucking sure Contrainer is lying and I feel like we're about to cause many mislynches because of something unverifiable like that. Pikochu's commentary was some faulty logic, but I feel like the fact the wagon grew this quickly suggests that this is what scum wants, to shift attention and kill everyone who questions Contrainer's claim because they already know whether he's lying or not and want to keep us in WIFOM until a better moment.
I'm pretty sure most people interpret null as not taking a stance because it's literally not siding with scum or town when discussing someone. It's just... nothing. It's that you made a reads list that had a large portion of "who?"/null reads that makes it stand out.And you're telling me that null is not taking a stance? Plus, most of my null reads come from the fact that the players contributed pretty much nothing at that point.
Yes. That is literally what null is. Null is "I can't form a stance on this person, will have to come back later or something."And you're telling me that null is not taking a stance?
Ok, think about it like this. You are a Scum member, and you see a Townie on the chopping block. Do you:Does not compute.
"For all we know" is WIFOM and a useless argument. If we let every single possibility fill up the radar we'll never get anything done because every point is countered by "but what if this instead?"How can the "do not vig me" imply that he is for certain a bomb without Zinn's claim? For all we know, it could be a town power role or Mafia set up to hide behind from.
despite this phase ending fairly soon (I think).
wow, me no understand timePhase ends in 24 hours (+3 minutes).
I'm fine with persuing some of Piko's main attackers to see how they react.wow, me no understand time
In all seriousness though, to everyone who is saying that Pikochu doesn't seem suspicious, providing alternative cases would be nice. There's literally not a single vote on anyone else.
So, I'm about to go to bed, but I'm actually legitimately curious to have these fallacies pointed out to me.Lone used quite a few logical fallacies when building a case against Piko, and I feel like they need to be addressed later.
Null reads don't mean a lack of opinion; Scum defending a Town lynch is ridiculously common when tryin to get some credibility; and Townies usually don't sit around in silence when they're about to get mislynched.So, I'm about to go to bed, but I'm actually legitimately curious to have these fallacies pointed out to me.
That said, you know, bed, but I'll probably see it eventually.
Yeah, I agree with wanting to hear more from this group. Contrainer being a little out of the spotlight right now isn't a good reason for him to not be contributing and straight-up sheep voting without even providing reasoning (along with the FoS on Midori), and MegaPod I remember nothing from other than his vote posts on these two phases. I feel Zinn's had more presence, though. However, on that noteI want to hear Contrainer, Zinn, and Mega more too because they're usually more active than that, and I feel like they're just sheeping.
Had to go back to find this, but I believe your vote is number 5 on the Pikochu wagon, over a third of the game. You posted about not wanting to join the Max one despite finding him anti-town when he had about 6 votes. I get that it's not D1 anymore, but it's the timing of the vote in that you're doing this vote while responding to my post about "why didn't you vote despite finding Max suspicious" that makes me a little paranoid that this is to avoid drawing attention to a lack of voting again, partly because you haven't provided any thoughts on players other than the majority wagons of each phase so far and the Piko vote is a little sheepy IMO (and maybe even a little wishy-washy on that last part?).@FinalArcadia i didn’t vote Max because he didn’t need more votes on him. And I’m always skeptical of large D1 wagons since scum can easily jump on it without much suspicion.
Now though, I like the Pikochu case. Asking for a vig on a bomb claim is totally scummy, though it is a bit on the nose, maybe.
Vote: Pikochu
I think I'm not the only one that at least considered bomb when Contrainer said that.How can the "do not vig me" imply that he is for certain a bomb without Zinn's claim? For all we know, it could be a town power role or Mafia set up to hide behind from.
I did, and as I said in my last post I want to look back upon this wagon to see what sticks out. Haven't had the time to do that yet. But I will do later this evening, if not next morning depending on when I'm done with some other work.@DarthWolf
You mentioned before about Calvin and jd not voting despite having suspicions not looking good, but you currently don't have a vote on the table despite this phase ending fairly soon (I think). You said the Piko wagon is BS, but who do you think is a better lynch today?
Yes this is exactly what I wanted to say. That doesn't look like an actual suggestion, more like a statement made in frustration.I wouldn't call it a joke but I certainly agree with you here in some aspect. It seems very emotion driven and not the most serious of comments.
Why?tbh I think Piko and Darth are Mafia :v
Yes because I don't really get the case on Pikochu and was just explaining my view, plus the fact that so many people jumped on it makes me think that Pikochu is indeed Town.What's a somewhat better thing I could talk about is Pika. This is some hardcore defence of Piko going on right here, and, imo, I can't see Scum!Pika doing it, especially not this far into things. I feel like, if Piko was scum, Pika wouldn't go this hard to avoid being implicated as his bud, and if Piko was town, well, why not just take the lynch? He started the defence back when it was still very feasible to get the wagon to move.
Scum!Pika just doesn't feel likely imo.
You realise that in that case, we could lose two townies if Contrainer is indeed Bomb, right? Or do you think Contrainer's bomb claim is definitely fake?I'm more or less standing by my comments that vig should kill Contrainer, or at least have someone investigate for sure Contrainer is what the claim is.
This. I said this earlier, but I'm not sure of Contrainer's claim, he made it in such an abrupt manner and he was also scared of voting Max as he thought he could be bomb, when in fact, he himself was claiming to be Bomb. And after that claim, he's basically not contributing anything. He's coming and sheeping with votes but provides no actual thoughts. But like FA pointed out earlier, Contrainer is a comparatively new player and is prone to such mistakes, I'll give him a pass for now but I really want him to contribute more and share his thoughts.I really hate how we're all treating him as some kind of untouchable 100% trustable claim, since it could be a poor attempt to hide a Town Power Role or a Godfather, and if it is then shit might happen later and noone seems to care. The kid is thinking he can just lay back and not contribute at all because of you guys not questioning his claim and assuming he just screwed up. His claim caused a giant WIFOM that annoys just Town and y'all shoving it to the late game, creating wagons based on something we don't even know if we can trust.
So many people voted Pikochu and most are just sheeping. I'm sure there's at least 1 or 2 scum in this group.Pikochu : Midorikawa, FinalArcadia, Megapod, Contrainer, jdthebud, ZinnLav, Lone_Garurumon
Also I'm gonna go ahead and claim the game I submitted. Black Butler Mafia, of which Elizabeth Midford from that game who was a Bomb could very well be Contrainer. The way the role worked in my game was that it'd only trigger on a night attack. So day lynching would be safe, but at the same time there's little reason to do so if it fits. Did anyone else submit a game that had a bomb in it?
How is that backtracking? Or rather, what am I backtracking?
To be fair, my vote on Pikochu wasn't really related to the Contrainer vig thing so much as the way he seemed to give off an illusion of being more of a townleader
It's that you made a reads list that had a large portion of "who?"/null reads that makes it stand out.
Yes. That is literally what null is. Null is "I can't form a stance on this person, will have to come back later or something."
"For all we know" is WIFOM and a useless argument. If we let every single possibility fill up the radar we'll never get anything done because every point is countered by "but what if this instead?"