Unovia's Silver Playthrough

[Chilon]

Level 27 is when it learns Wing Attack.
Also doesn't really help that Zubat is pretty weak until it evolves.

My Zubat has Wing Attack at lvl. 13

 

[Unovia]

That does make sense. Especially when some have stated that they only recently got the job.


Without TMs, Zubat's moveset is:
Leech Life
Supersonic
Bite
Confuse Ray

Level 27 is when it learns Wing Attack.
Also doesn't really help that Zubat is pretty weak until it evolves.

True, but, if you take care of it for a bit, it should evolve pretty quickly, especially if you keep it in the team.

 

[Greninjaman]

True, but, if you take care of it for a bit, it should evolve pretty quickly, especially if you keep it in the team.

I know. I used one in my first brilliant diamond playthrough. Crobat is very strong.

 

[Unovia]

Biking through Goldenrod City, I eventually found the house that had the Squirtbottle. Before I decided to go after the "Shaking Tree of Route 36", I went to get some Great Balls, since I had none, and I had intention to catch the tree. After a little shopping, I biked to the Route and sprayed the tree. The battle was on!

I brought out Quagsire to battle Sudowoodo (Level 20), though I worried that Sudowoodo would die quickly in an OHKO. Luckily, the Water Gun only dropped Sudowoodo enough (into the yellow) so I could spend some time catching it. It went into the 2nd Great Ball (I had 5), giving me another team member when I was ready. It will replace Machop. With Sudowoodo out of the way and safely in my box, I headed into Ecruteak to heal.

In the Ecruteak City Pokemon Center, I ran into a man named Bill, who was working on his "Time Capsules". The time capsule feature allows transfer of Generation 1 Pokemon and moves from Generation II Johto (and Kanto) to Generation I Kanto. It's not a feature I am going to use. If I were to follow Bill to Goldenrod, I would be able to get an Eevee from him. In the next Log, I will be getting that Eevee, then go to the Ecruteak Dance Theater. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

In Ecruteak City, I switched out Machop for Sudowoodo. Then, I decided to train Sudowoodo to match the rest of my team. As the whole group crossed Level 23, my Golbat did not yet evolve into Crobat. I am sure it will soon. Once I felt trained, I headed south to Goldenrod City, where Bill had a gift for me.

He gave me an Eevee, hoping I would raise it out in nature. Let's consider the options I could see in Johto, though for right now, I put it in the box.

(Ignore Glaceon, Leafeon, & Sylveon, since they did not exist in Generation II)

Eevee is a major question mark. To turn it into Jolteon, Vaporeon, & Flareon would be a waste of an Eevee in this game, especially because getting the stones are pretty difficult to do. That leaves Espeon & Umbreon. Of the two, I really like Espeon more, but the problem is that the Happiness standard is not clear cut in Gen II Johto. There is no soothe bell (that would not be introduced until Generation III), and the only real way to get the happiness up is the Haircut Bros. method. Even so, it can take a LONG time to get the haircuts to work in this Gen. Would LOVE to use Espeon, but for this Run, I am not going to use Eevee. Maybe if I replay Gen IV at another time...

Feeling ready to continue to the next step, I traveled to the Burned Tower. Be Warned! As soon as you enter the Burned Tower, Silver will battle you!

He opened with Haunter (Level 20), and I opened with Quilava (Level 23), not sure of what Pokemon he would start out with. I used Quilava, using Ember. Haunter tried to curse me, but all that did was lower its HP. Quilava ended up defeating Haunter. Croconaw (Level 22) came out next, and I switched to Flaaffy (Level 23). Croconaw tried to stall out Flaaffy with Leer, and I used Thunderwave to paralyze and Thundershock to OHKO Croconaw. He switched to Magnemite (Level 18) and I switched back to Quilava. One Ember ended Magnemite. Down to his last Pokemon, Silver sent out Zubat (Level 20). Looking for an honor battle, I sent out Golbat, which easily took out Zubat. Silver claimed that he would get the favoritism of the Legendary Pokemon that are there (the Beasts are in the lower level of the tower).

I am not going to unleash them until probably I am ready to go after Clair, since they are Level 40.

With Silver defeated, and my business at Burned Tower done (right now), I headed to the Ecruteak Dance Theater, where there were 5 girls in Kimonos.

Now was the time to battle them! Unlike in Generation IV, when you battle the Kimono Girls back to back, in Generation II, you battle each one individually. Still, it is recommended that you save after each battle, since it is hard to know what each one uses. They are all Level 17.

Battle I: Flareon
Quagsire defeated Flareon using Water Gun, and while Flareon had Ember, it didn't use it, instead sticking to Tail Whip & Sand Attack. In 2 attacks, Quagsire took Flareon out.

Battle II: Espeon
Next, Golbat was used against Espeon. Espeon was a bit of a problem, and I had Beedrill to back up Golbat. Espeon used Confusion, which did about half damage to Golbat, yet Golbat held on, doing 2 Bites to end Espeon.

Battle III: Umbreon
Umbreon was going to be tricky. I opened with Sudowoodo, who had Low Kick. Umbreon used several Pursuit attacks, and was a defensive tank. Eventually, Umbreon fell.

Battle IV: Vaporeon
I switched to Flaaffy for this fight. Vaporeon was a bit like Espeon due to the fact it would use elemental attacks instead of stat drops. Vaporeon used Water Gun against Flaaffy. I had Flaaffy use Thunderwave to paralyze at first, and two Thundershocks ended Vaporeon.

Battle V: Jolteon
The last battle was against Jolteon. I switched back to Quagsire for this fight. Jolteon used a lot of Sand Attacks, which limited the effectiveness of Slam. Eventually, one Slam OHKOed Jolteon, ending the fight.

Leaving the stage, I collected Surf from the Rhydon owning gentleman, and I departed. In the next Log, we will go battle Morty for the next badge. We will take some time to finish training (I want to go between Levels 25 & 28), then it's battle time.

Until next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

I decided to use my Golbat as the gauge for my levels to set up for Morty, since I was trying to get it to become a Crobat. Unfortunately, even by Level 28 (what I had as my Level Cap for Morty) it had not evolved yet (and still has not).

Initially, I traveled to the Burned Tower, training in one of the basement level for a bit. Eventually I got tired of training there, and kinda curious, I traveled west onto Routes 38, 39, & 40 (on Route 39, there is a farm. I may stop them soon.) battling trainers and getting to Olivine City. Running into Silver, he told me that the Gym Leader was taking care of a sick Pokemon, all while slamming them for "being weak for taking care of a sick Pokemon." Silver also "encouraged" me to go train at the Olivine Lighthouse. With not too much else to do, and needing a new training spot other than in the wild, I headed there.

There were quite a few trainers here, allowing me to do a bit of training. There are 12 trainers here, allowing a good challenge. I cleared it out, and still needing a bit of training, I finished up back in the Burned Tower. My entire team was Level 28 (except for Quagsire, who was Level 25), and I wanted to battle Morty at night (thought it would be cool). Feeling ready, I headed to the Gym.

The Gym Puzzle is a tricky one, being a pit of darkness that apparently has a walking path through it. This can be challenging if you can't figure out the trick (walk up to each trainer, there are four, and zigzag that way across the floor). I used Quagsire to clear the trainers and train up a bit. I got to Morty, changing over to Golbat to actually battle the man himself. He opened with Gastly (Level 21). One Bite OHKO. Next came his first Haunter (Level 21). One Bite OHKO. Surprisingly, he sent out his big bad Gengar (Level 25), and a single Bite OHKo ended it. He finished with his last Haunter (Level 23), who only managed a Spite before it fell after 2 hits. Morty was done. I have always been a bit disappointed in this fight. No Misdreaveus? Really? No Johto representation...shame.

With Morty done, I have 3 Gyms opened to me. These are Chuck, Jasmine, and Pryce. I have 2 options:
Option 1: Go across the sea and take out Chuck and Jasmine, then go back for Pryce.
Option 2: Go Pryce, then Chuck and Jasmine.

I am leaning toward Option 2, since that will allow me to get the Red Gyarados earlier. In the next Log, we will go to the Miltank Farm, healing up the sick Miltank, then go to Route 42 & Mahogany Town. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Greninjaman]

Isn’t there a person who checks a pokemon’s happiness/friendship level in Goldenrod?

 

[Unovia]

Isn’t there a person who checks a pokemon’s happiness/friendship level in Goldenrod?

Yes, but every time I have gone to her to check, it's not happy enough. I will eventually get there. No worries.

 

[Unovia]

This posting is going to be completely PACKED, as I did a LOT for this post. I am going to give this 3 Headings!

Route 42 & Mahogany Town
I was originally going to do the Miltank side quest, but that literally takes a week, and I was on a roll, so I decided to move on, then go back. Heading east from Ecruteak to Route 42, there wasn't much here, though I did collect some items and fight some trainers. The entrance to Mt. Mortar is here as well, but I decided to skip it for now. I gave Quagsire Surf, then sailed across the pools of water, eventually arriving in Mahogany Town. Mahogany is a small town, but it is a crossroads. After I healed, I prepared to travel north onto Route 43, the end of which was the Lake of Rage. There are two pathways, and a lot of cuttable trees (thank goodness I gave Beedrill Cut a long time ago, back in the Ilex Forest). I explored the whole area, making sure I battled all of the trainers for the experience. Eventually, I found myself on the banks of the Lake of Rage.

Lake of Rage
This lake is MASSIVE, so massive you can't see the other side easily. Setting up Quagsire to Surf and putting Flaaffy as my lead, I sailed into the lake, eventually running into the Red Gyarados (Level 30).

Engaging in the battle, Flaaffy used Thunderwave, paralyzing the beast. Gyarados used Dragon Rage, causing Flaaffy some damage. Hanging in there, Flaaffy used Thundershock, which lowered the HP down to a sliver. I almost saw it faint! I had an Ultra Ball, found during my excursion on Route 42 which I used to capture it. The beast was mine! I also collected the Red Scale for a later exchange with Mr. Pokemon (once I can Fly). Sailing back across the lake, I ran into a man in a cape who called himself Lance.

He applauded me for catching the Gyarados, then asked me to go with him to the location where the signal came from in Mahogany Town. Since I couldn't Fly, I had to steadily bike back. Taking the opportunity to heal again and clear my bag a bit, I set to meet up with Lance.

Team Rocket HQ
Walking into the Souvenir Shop, I see Lance's Dragonite literally Hyperbeaming the shopkeeper (how did that get allowed???). Lance pulled me into his quest, and we worked together to clear out the base.

There are a lot of grunts and scientists here, and it was here that Flaaffy became Ampharos. Golbat has not yet, however. No worries. I cleared out the executives, captured one of the Electrodes, and ended Team Rocket here. Lance gave me Whirlpool, then departed, leaving me with a very weak team. I traveled back to Ecruteak City, sold some useless items, and healed.

In the next Log, I am planning to go do the Sick Miltank Subquest, do some training, and prepare to take on Pryce. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

Right now, because I am doing the "Sick Miltank" Subquest, and it takes so long to do (can only pick one berry a day), I am having to wait. I am currently camped out at Route 38, as it is one of the few places in Johto where you can get the berries needed.

Due to the wait, I decided to start up the "Pokemon Red Origins Run". I will be posting the Origins Run Rules shortly.

 

[Unovia]

Unovia's Pokemon Red "Origins" Run

Hey Folks! Welcome to Unovia's Pokemon Red "Origins" Run. In this challenge, we will be playing like Red from Pokemon Origins. Before we put down the rules, let's show my previous work in case you would like to check them out...

forums.bulbagarden.net

 

[Unovia]

Man, this took a long time! In the Generation IV games (HGSS), there are Oran Berries, but in Generation II, there is the standard Berry, which does the same thing. You need 7 Berries to heal the sick Miltank. I had 2 before I had to camp out to get more. The link below will show you where you can get more:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Berry_(item)

Luckily for me, one of the Berry trees was outside the Miltank Farm, on Route 38, so I would camp there, get a Berry (one a day), rush to the farm, feed it to Miltank, then camp back at the tree. Repeat for a few days. It was slow, but eventually I got it all done, healing Miltank fully. What did I get? A single bottle of Moo Moo Milk. I hope I could get one per day, because for the amount of work required, it really doesn't pay.

In the next Log, we will take on Pryce. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

To prepare for Pryce, I headed north to Route 43, which has a lot of higher Level Pokemon and a fantastic place to set my training. It didn't take me too long, and I set myself to Level 31 so that Quilava would have Flame Wheel, which is far stronger than Ember. I didn't want to grind up too much beyond that, since I knew what my team for be against Pryce.. I had Quilava, Ampharos, & Sudowoodo, three points in a good set up for the Ice Type. Quilava offered Fire Type moves, Ampharos would be good for any Pokemon that are part Water Type (like Seel and Dewgong), and Sudowoodo had Rock & Fighting moves. Gyarados had Surf, which could be used against any Ground Types (Like Swinub & Piloswine). I was really balanced.

The ice sliding puzzle was very difficult, and I had to get a guide to help. I used:

Gold/Silver/Crystal Walkthrough - PokeDream

PokeDream is a Pokemon fan site featuring a Pokedex, Pokemon video game walkthroughs, strategy guides, news, discussion forums, and other Pokemon-related content.

pokedream.com

The trainers, by contrast, were not as difficult. Once I was in front of Pryce (at Level 32 from all of the trainers), I took him on.

Normally I would take on Pryce as the 7th Gym Leader, where I would be a bit higher than I was (likely in the mid 30's). Pryce opened with Seel (Level 27) and I opened with Ampharos (Level 31). One Thunderpunch took it out. Next came Piloswine (Level 31), and I changed to Sudowoodo (Level 31), thinking that maybe a combination of Rock and Fighting moves would take it out, which, while that was largely true, Piloswine was bulky, and managed to freeze Sudowoodo. Switching strategies, I changed to Gyarados (Level 31) and I focused on using Surf. Ploswine managed to freeze Gyarados. Here it was, I had 2 frozen Pokemon, and I was unsure of what I wanted to do. Keeping Gyarados out, I decided to let the ice thaw, which it eventually did. I finished Piloswine off, and seeing Gyarados significantly weakened, I changed back to Ampharos while Pryce changed to Dewgong (Level 29). One Thunderpunch ended Dewgong quickly.

With Pryce defeated, I have 5 Badges. In the next Log, we plan to go back to Glitter Lighthouse and finish that. Until next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

Leaving Mahogany Town, I headed west to Ecruteak City, then west and south to Olivine City. Coming back into the Glitter Lighthouse, I worked my way to Jasmine, battling a few trainers that I had missed before, finally arriving at where Jasmine and Amphy, the lighthouse Pokemon, were.

Amphy is very sick, and Jasmine requested my help to get Amphy some medicine in Cianwood City. In the next Log, we will be heading to Cianwood City. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

Before I left for Cianwood, I made sure to train up Machop to Machoke for the use of strength, thinking ahead to the Gym Battle with Chuck, who requires the use of strength for the puzzle. It was easy to level up, due to being a traded Pokemon. I placed it back in the box, getting out Sudowoodo again. Thus began to journey to Cianwood.

Routes 40 & 41 also are home to the Whirl Islands, but right now, the mysteries in these islands are not interesting me yet. It was rather straight forward getting to Cianwood (pretty much go as far south and west as you can) and you will be able to get there. My Golbat FINALLY EVOLVED at Level 32! Once I got to Cianwood, I healed (there are a bunch of trainers here), then checked out the island. Took me a bit, but I found the house (that would be a pharmacy building in Gen IV) that I could find the Secret Potion. I also found Strength after some searching here. There was also another request here...protecting Shuckie.

Shuckie the Shuckle was being protected by its trainer after Silver apparently stole a Pokemon from him (I think in Gen IV, it was mentioned that the other Pokemon was a Sneasel). I took Shuckie back to Olivine, then back to Cianwood.

Once again returning to Olivine, I immediately went back to the Lighthouse, eventually able to give the Secret Potion to Jasmine. She healed Amphy, then went back to the Gym. I checked in with Amphy, who was grateful, then departed the Lighthouse and headed back to Cianwood. In the next Log, we are going to do back to back Gyms. That's right. It's Gym time against Chuck & Jasmine. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

Cianwood Gym
The Gym was kinda tricky, since I didn't know what level the trainers would be. They were good training, that's for sure. It was a good thing I brought Machoke, since he could use Strength and that was needed for this puzzle. Honestly, I liked the creativity of the Gen IV one better.

When I got to Chuck, it was not difficult at all. He opened with Primeape (Level 27) and I opened with Crobat (Level 32). One Wing Attack was an OHKO. He switched to Poliwrath (Level 30) and I switched to Ampharos (Level 33). Ampharos hit Poliwrath with Thunderwave to make sure it was paralyzed and therefore even slower. Poliwrath tried to use Hypnosis, and when that failed, I knew I had this fight in the bag. One Thunderpunch got me an OHKO.

Chuck was done. I got the badge and Fly, taught it to Crobat, then flew to Olivine.

Olivine Gym
No trainers, just Jasmine. She opened with her first Magnemite (Level 30), and I opened with Sudowoodo (Level 32), who I had exchanged with Machoke before for Cianwood. The Magnemite was tricky, able to hit me with Thunderbolt after barely surviving a Low Kick. One more Low Kick took out Magnemite, but Sudowoodo was in bad shape. When Steelix (Level 35) came out, I changed out to Quilava (Level 33). I expected an OHKO from Flame Wheel, but when Steelix survived and struck back with a Rock Throw, I was in a bit of trouble. Quilava was barely hanging on, but one more Flame Wheel ended that fight. She sent out her next Magnemite (Level 30) and I came back to a almost defeated Sudowoodo. Sudowoodo managed to hit with another Low Kick, which once again almost took out Magnemite, but Magnemite almost took out Sudowoodo with Thunderbolt.

I was hard pressed. Both Quilava and Sudowoodo were very weak, almost out, and I didn't know what to do. Most of my other Pokemon were weak to Electric moves, except Ampharos (Level 33), which I used to finish the Magnemite with a single Thunderpunch, winning me the badge.

As I left the Gym, Professor Elm called me, talking about strange transmissions on the radio. I listened myself, and it was Team Rocket, reporting from Goldenrod. Apparently, they wanted Giovanni to come back. Not. Gonna. Happen. Determined to root them out, I flew to Goldenrod. In the next Log, we will clear out the Radio Tower. Until the next time, we will see you!

 

[Unovia]

The removal of the Rockets occurs in two different locations: The Goldenrod Radio Tower & Goldenrod Tunnel.

Goldenrod Radio Tower
There are 8 Grunts & 2 Scientists in the area before the Card Key. Once I cleared them out, I was given directions to go to the Goldenrod Tunnel, and given a key to do so.

Goldenrod Tunnel
In the Goldenrod Tunnel, I ran into Silver, who challenged me to battle! He opened with Golbat (Level 30) and I opened with Ampharos (Level 34). Golbat confused Ampharos, but Ampharos managed to OHKO with a Thunderpunch. Magnemite (Level 28) fell to Sudowoodo (Level 33) after a brief struggle. Next for Silver was Feraligatr (Level 32) and I was uncertain of what to do next, but I eventually sent out Beedrill (Level 34), who effectively (yet slowly) defeated the starter with Twineedle, at one point poisoning him. Probably if Feraligatr had Ice moves, I would not have been able to do that, but still.

Haunter (Level 30) fell to Crobat (Level 33) and Sneasel (Level 32) went down to Beedrill. After the fight, it seemed that Silver was starting to reevaluate his life. Once Silver departed, I was left to defeat the rest of the Team Rocket grunts and the assorted people. Once I was done in the Tunnel, I got the Card Key, where I could go back to the Tower and finish this. All that was really left was beating the Executives.

Petrel (Gen 4)

Ariana (Gen 4)

Archer (Gen 4)

In Generation IV, the executives were different, with names and the like. In Generation II, they were just under the title of Executive. Even though they were on average a few levels higher, I could hold my own against them. Beedrill was relly good at points here, especially on the one that would become Archer. I was a bit surprised, considering Archer had Houndour and Houndoom. Ariana gave me the most problems, since she had an Arbok, which I had no major way to attack. It was slow, but they all fell.

With Team Rocket gone, I freed up Goldenrod, and all of Johto, from Team Rocket's terror. The Radio Director gave me the Silver Wing so I could go to the Whirl Islands & get Lugia. Once I left the Radio Tower, I flew to Cherrygrove City and exchanged my Red Scale for the EXP. Share. In the next Log, we will travel through Ice Path on our way to Blackthorn City. Until next time, we will see you!

 

[Greninjaman]

Where were the police during this? Where were they during the Silph Co/Saffron City takeover? In fact, WHY does the police do NOTHING about the evil team and just leave them to us, the protagonist? Teams Yell and Skull I will let slide since they are more simple bullies than the past teams.

 

[Unovia]

Where were the police during this? Where were they during the Silph Co/Saffron City takeover? In fact, WHY does the police do NOTHING about the evil team and just leave them to us, the protagonist? Teams Yell and Skull I will let slide since they are more simple bullies than the past teams.

Well, they are either incompetent or taking bribes or both. After all, the evil teams will run legitimate businesses as a cover.

 

[There Is No Arceus]

Well, they are either incompetent or taking bribes or both. After all, the evil teams will run legitimate businesses as a cover.

only team rocket does that with the game corner. none of the other evil teams run legitimate businesses, though i guess team plasma are legitimate activists.