War of the Elements: Dual-Type Edition - Endgame - 22/6/2017

[Max1996]

How did your alliance start?

Cheff contacted all players except you and asked who was ok with working against you. Some agreed, some disagreed.

 

[Lone_Garurumon]

It's kinda funny, Cheff did exactly the same thing you did too. He contacted everyone to try to build one super-alliance to get revenge on you, but I was the only person to agree, and we basically just turned into your standard 2-person team-up.

 

[DarthWolf]

Cheff contacted all players except you and asked who was ok with working against you. Some agreed, some disagreed.

It's kinda funny, Cheff did exactly the same thing you did too. He contacted everyone to try to build one super-alliance to get revenge on you, but I was the only person to agree, and we basically just turned into your standard 2-person team-up.

And now give me some new info something I didn't already know

 

[DarthWolf]

Why did you agree @Lone_Garurumon ?

 

[Max1996]

And now give me some new info something I didn't already know

Well, you telling Cheff that Mido resisted Lick was the one thing that helped him narrow down not just the Types, but even the secific Pokemon for everyone.

 

[Lone_Garurumon]

Why did you agree @Lone_Garurumon ?

Honestly it was mostly because it was personal, since you did it to me specifically last game. I probably wouldn't've cared so much if you'd done it to someone else.

 

[CheffOfGames]

Hello everyone, I am writing this because I liked how this game was going on and I wanted you all to know what you have done to help me win this game.
Therefore I will give an explanation of everything I have done in this game and why:

Spoiler: What I've done

Spoiler: Phase 1

When the game started I knew almost nothing, just like you all, I just knew that I wanted to put Darth in his place and that is the reason why I created the group PM "Let's screw over Darth". The information that I had at that point was this:

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Nothing
DarthWolf13: Nothing
FinalArcadia: Nothing
Doctor Floptopus: Nothing
Pariah: Nothing
Elementar: Nothing
Rainbow Cloud: Nothing
Midorikawa: Nothing

After a while, Lone joined the "Rebel Alliance", this was still in Phase 1. The rest of the phase nothing did really happen, not in the Rebel Alliance, nor in my Role PM since I forgot to submit any moves.

Spoiler: Phase 2

So when Phase 2 started I realized that I forgot to submit any moves and got no results from them. I was, however, attacked by 5 different people and 7 different moves, which still gave me something to go on:

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Nothing
DarthWolf13: Nothing
FinalArcadia: Astonish
Doctor Floptopus: Rock Slide

Pariah: Rock Slide, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt

Elementar: Rock Slide
Rainbow Cloud: Ice Punch
Midorikawa: Nothing

Spoiler: Pariah Possibilities

Nidoqueen
Nidoking
Alolan Marowak
Tyranitar
Aggron
Bastiodon
Rhyperior

The others have too many possibilities.

After this I was paralyzed and flinched so I couldn't submit and use any moves in Phase 2.

Spoiler: Phase 3

At this point I was attacked by 4 people (3 of which already attacked me) and knew 4 more moves that way.

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Nothing
DarthWolf13: Lick
FinalArcadia: Astonish, Mirror Shot
Doctor Floptopus: Rock Slide
Pariah: Rock Slide, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt
Elementar: Rock Slide, Dark Pulse
Rainbow Cloud: Ice Punch, Thunderbolt
Midorikawa: Nothing

Spoiler: FinalArcadia

Klefki

Spoiler: DarthWolf13 Possibilities

Gengar
Jynx
Incineroar

Spoiler: Elementar Possibilities

Alolan Muk
Alolan Marowak
Tyranitar
Shiftry
Drapion
Toxicroak
Gliscor
Krookodile
Scrafty
Pangoro
Malamar
Heliolisk
Aurorus
Trevenant
Gourgeist
Yveltal

Spoiler: Rainbow Cloud Possibilities

Nidoqueen
Nidoking
Gengar
Tyranitar
Rhyperior
Gallade
Froslass
Golurk
Meloetta
Hoopa

Almost directly after this Lone contacted me again with the fact that we should work together because we had an alliance but didn't really use this, he told me that he forgot to use moves P1, just like I did and then flinched. At that moment he told me some information:

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Charizard (Fire/Flying), Sky Drop, Flame Charge, Rock Slide, Bite
DarthWolf13: Lick, Heart Stamp
FinalArcadia: Klefki (Steel/Fairy) Astonish, Mirror Shot, Psyshock
Doctor Floptopus: Rock Slide
Pariah: Rock Slide, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt
Elementar: Rock Slide, Dark Pulse
Rainbow Cloud: Ice Punch, Thunderbolt
Midorikawa: Nothing

Spoiler: DarthWolf13 Possibilities

Gengar
Jynx
Incineroar

Spoiler: Pariah Possibilities

Golurk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Rhyperior
Tyranitar

Spoiler: Elementar Possibilities

Alolan Muk
Tyranitar
Shiftry
Drapion
Toxicroak
Krookodile
Scraggy
Pangoro
Heliolisk
Trevenant
Gourgeist

Spoiler: Rainbow Cloud Possibilities

Gengar
Golurk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Rhyperior
Tyranitar

Spoiler: Doctor Floptopus Possibilities

Nidoqueen
Nidoking
Golem
Golem Alola
Muk Alola
Rhyperior
Shuckle
Heracross
Tyranitar
Shiftry
Breloom
Cradily
Armaldo
Torterra
Drapion
Toxicroak
Scolipede
Krookodile
Crustle
Scrafty
Stunfisk
Golurk
Terrakion
Chesnaught
Diggersby
Pangoro
Heliolisk
Trevenant
Gourgeist
Bewear
Palossand
Dhelmise
Buzzwole
Marshadow

At this point I just went to Darth, told him I knew what he was and that I needed information, we agreed to trade information at which point I reveiled I knew that RC used Ice Punch and Thunderbolt, in return he got me to win because he told me that Elementar has Dark Pulse (I knew that myself) and that Flop has Close Combat:

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Charizard (Fire/Flying), Sky Drop, Flame Charge, Rock Slide, Bite
DarthWolf13: Jynx (Ice/Psychic), Lick, Heart Stamp
FinalArcadia: Klefki (Steel/Fairy) Astonish, Mirror Shot, Psyshock
Doctor Floptopus: Rock Slide, Close Combat
Pariah: Rock Slide, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt
Elementar: Rock Slide, Dark Pulse
Rainbow Cloud: Ice Punch, Thunderbolt
Midorikawa: Nothing

Spoiler: Doctor Floptopus Possibilities

Heracross
Terrakion
Marshadow

Spoiler: Elementar Possibilities

Muk Alolan
Tyranitar
Shiftry
Drapion
Krookodile
Heliolisk
Trevenant
Gourgeist

When I asked Darth if he knew something about Mido (since I didn't have any information on her) he gave me the valuable information that Mido resisted Lick, which meant that she had to be a Dark type because only Dark resists Ghost and there is no other way to make that happen:

Spoiler: information

CheffOfGames: Kingdra (Water/Dragon), Octazooka, Twister, Ice Beam, Signal Beam
Lone_Garurumon: Charizard (Fire/Flying), Sky Drop, Flame Charge, Rock Slide, Bite
DarthWolf13: Jynx (Ice/Psychic), Lick, Heart Stamp
FinalArcadia: Klefki (Steel/Fairy) Astonish, Mirror Shot, Psyshock
Doctor Floptopus: Rock Slide, Close Combat
Pariah: Rock Slide, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt
Elementar: Rock Slide, Dark Pulse
Rainbow Cloud: Ice Punch, Thunderbolt
Midorikawa: Dark

And then it all fell into place, with Midorikawa resisting Ghost she must be a Dark type, meaning that nobody else is a Dark Type

Spoiler: removing Dark Type Possibilities

Spoiler: Pariah

Pariah loses Tyranitar. This means that Pariah has to be Ground

Spoiler: Elementar

Elementar loses Krookodile, Drapion, Shiftry, Tyranitar and Alolan Muk, making him Heliolisk, Trevenant or Gourgeist

Spoiler: Rainbow Cloud

Rainbow Cloud loses Tyranitar, making her Gengar, Golurk, Nidoking, Nidoqueen and Rhyperior

Because Pariah is Ground, we can eliminate that from the others.

Spoiler: removing Ground Type Possibilities

Rainbow Cloud loses Golurk, Nidoking and Rhyperior, making her Gengar a.k.a. Ghost/Poison

Because RC is Ghost/Poison we can eliminate that from the others.

Spoiler: removing Poison and Ghost Possibilities

Spoiler: Pariah

Pariah loses Golurk, Nidoking and Nidoqueen, making her Rhyperior a.k.a. Rock/Ground

Spoiler: Doctor Floptopus

Flop loses Marshadow, making her Terrakion or Heracross

Spoiler: Elementar

Elementar loses Trevenant and Gourgeist, making him Heliolisk a.k.a. Normal/Electric

Because Pariah is Rock we can remove that from the others

Spoiler: Removing Rock Possibilities

Flop loses Terrakion, making her Heracross a.k.a. Bug/Fighting

This leaves only Midorikawa, who we know is part Dark type, and since we also know that only Grass is left, she must be either Cacturne or Shiftry.

Spoiler: My Final Submission

Spoiler: Typing

Bug: Doctor Floptopus
Dark: Midorikawa
Dragon: CheffOfGames
Electric: Elementar
Fairy: FinalArcadia
Fighting: Doctor Floptopus
Fire: Lone_Garurumon
Flying: Lone_Garurumon
Ghost: Rainbow Cloud
Grass: Midorikawa
Ground: Pariah
Ice: DarthWolf13
Normal: Elementar
Poison: Rainbow Cloud
Psychic: DarthWolf13
Rock: Pariah
Steel: FinalArcadia
Water: CheffOfGames

Spoiler: Pokémon

CheffOfGames: Kingdra
Lone_Garurumon: Charizard
DarthWolf13: Jynx
FinalArcadia: Klefki
Doctor Floptopus: Heracross
Pariah: Rhyperior
Elementar: Heliolisk
Rainbow Cloud: Gengar
Midorikawa: Shiftry

Now that I have that out of the way, let me answer your questions @Zexy:

Spoiler: Question Time

Did you enjoy the game?

Yes, it was amazing to see everything fall into place with only the help of Lone and Darth.

What did you think of the setup?

I liked it up to the point that I realized that so many people had Rock Slide and other TM moves, then it became annoying to write all possibilities down...

If there was one thing you'd change in this game, what would it be?

Less TM moves, more Egg moves and such.

Would you like to play more dual-type versions of War of the Elements in the future?

Definitily.

 

[CheffOfGames]

Also, I had this written down yesterday I just needed to answer the questions. I had a lot of fun this game, thanks everyone.

 

[Zexy]

I think the major problem with the game is trying to figure out movesets. People should either not be told that they were hit or only be told the type of move that hit them.

The point of the setup was that each Pokemon had 2 STAB attacks + 2 coverage, most of which were available to lots of Pokemon so that things don't get narrowed down quickly (Rock Slide, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt were around a lot) and with a focus on reduced accuracy, flinch chances, other status, anything that could've delayed people from getting results to prevent the game from ending this quickly.

What didn't let it happen this time is the movesets imo, also in some cases I had to put in things like Heart Stamp (only Jynx STAB with a good effect) or for Heracross' case Megahorn and Aerial Ace (the only move designed to go against the rest of the balance theme). I think not announcing moves is the way to go for future versions.

 

[CheffOfGames]

Yeah, that may be better since Lone and I figured it out without using any moves ourselves.

 

[Max1996]

I think the major problem with the game is trying to figure out movesets. People should either not be told that they were hit or only be told the type of move that hit them.

The point of the setup was that each Pokemon had 2 STAB attacks + 2 coverage, most of which were available to lots of Pokemon so that things don't get narrowed down quickly (Rock Slide, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt were around a lot) and with a focus on reduced accuracy, flinch chances, other status, anything that could've delayed people from getting results to prevent the game from ending this quickly.

What didn't let it happen this time is the movesets imo, also in some cases I had to put in things like Heart Stamp (only Jynx STAB with a good effect) or for Heracross' case Megahorn and Aerial Ace (the only move designed to go against the rest of the balance theme). I think not announcing moves is the way to go for future versions.

Yeah, that may be better since Lone and I figured it out without using any moves ourselves.

Not sure about this, though, because this has been in WotE since the beginning.

 

[Elementar]

Did you enjoy the game?
Yes
What did you think of the setup?
I liked the setup. I just thought that dual types made it quite confusing. But it was well balanced in my opinion.
If there was one thing you'd change in this game, what would it be?
Someone actually targetting me, so I had more info...
Would you like to play more dual-type versions of War of the Elements in the future?
Yeah I prefer single typing though

EDIT: Oops, forgot to say thanks and GG.

Congrats to LG and CoG on winning You both played very well and intelligently. And thankyou to Zexy and Max for running the game and helping out. You did very well

 

[Max1996]

It may be a bit too soon for it, but I've come up with another clever twist on the game War of the Elements, possibly coming soon on the Queue.

 

[DarthWolf]

It may be a bit too soon for it, but I've come up with another clever twist on the game War of the Elements, possibly coming soon on the Queue.

Can we know what it is?

 

[Max1996]

Can we know what it is?

It's only a concept so far, but the basic idea is this:
War of the Elements - A.B.C Edition.
Each of the 6 players has three different single-Type Pokemon, labeled A, B and C. Each phase, when submitting moves, they're only allowed to pick from the moveset from one of their three Pokemon. They also have to specify which of another player's 3 Pokemon they're aiming the attack at. This will mainly serve as an experiment to see how it goes without OC and without notifying players who used what move on them.

 

[Lone_Garurumon]

It's only a concept so far, but the basic idea is this:
War of the Elements - A.B.C Edition.
Each of the 6 players has three different single-Type Pokemon, labeled A, B and C. Each phase, when submitting moves, they're only allowed to pick from the moveset from one of their three Pokemon. They also have to specify which of another player's 3 Pokemon they're aiming the attack at. This will mainly serve as an experiment to see how it goes without OC and without notifying players who used what move on them.

That sounds... Very confusing... So we'd need to guess all three of their Pokemon?

 

[Max1996]

That sounds... Very confusing... So we'd need to guess all three of their Pokemon?

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Max1996]

That sounds... Very confusing... So we'd need to guess all three of their Pokemon?

Correction: You need to figure out each player's 3 Types.

 

[FinalArcadia]

Congrats, Lone_Garurumon and CheffOfGames!

Did you enjoy the game?
Yep! Though I would've enjoyed it more if I had gotten attacked by more than a single attack haha. please, everyone, attack me a little more, treat me like a punching bag
What did you think of the setup?
The dual-type twist on the formula was interesting and definitely made it trickier to figure things out, which was fun to try to work out. Though kinda connected to this question is the next one:
If there was one thing you'd change in this game, what would it be?
Movesets from opponents seemed to make-or-break it in this format, so maybe trying out just telling players what type attack hit them and not the specific attack could work. Might make the game last a long time, but that's not really a problem in my eyes lol.

I'd still be interested in seeing a NOC version of WotE too, but that might work better with the single-type format, I dunno.
Would you like to play more dual-type versions of War of the Elements in the future?
Yeah, I'm always up for WotE!

Thanks for hosting, Zexy!

 

[Lone_Garurumon]

Personally a longer game would likely just get me sick of it before we got to the end.
This and the last game were rather short, I agree with that, but not telling us the exact move and disallowing OC would probably extend the game far beyond what my patience for it would be.
NOC on its own probably wouldn't be too bad, but not giving us the moves that hit us would probably extend it beyond my patience.