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So I feel like I need to add some information from my side to clear things up.
Close to winning
First, yes I was close to winning. How close? Well at the time of modkill I was missing 4 people. Zinn-Co and Mido-Jinjo, these are grouped because they shared 2 possible types. I for certain would have figured out Zinn-CO in the same phase and the other one was a 50/50 guess. I would win by the end of round 3 at the latest.
OC is broken
I've mentioned it in past iterations of WotE, but allowing OC in this game results in heavy use of that if you want to play optimally. I've clearly shown that in the past and is part of the reason for my reputation this game (I still won those games without OC as well with other people). I've already started a bit of discussion with max after my retirement here but would love to help him out on friendly terms.
How I played this game
So, somewhere during R1 Max came online to, what he had to expect, 17pm's started by me, 1 for each player. I tried to find as much cooperation as possible. The msot impressive one was with Lone and Zinn who were already working together and invited me into the group. I gathered quirte some info already R1 and even asked them and iirc someone else to change thier targets to optimalise attacks as there were some duplicates looks at everyone who used fighting on the first 3 slots (+4th if they were included in the 3) and yes, selecting the bottom or middle 3 is very creative
I loved seeing the patterns of people.
Also just in between but so many people had fighting and grass moves
During R2 I collected info and shared all answers with Lone and Zinn. They woke up after the break and were surprised by what I had accomplished to the point that they got cautious of what was allowed due to my ban.
v4: I traded types with Mido, as I mentioned earlier. People were cautious at first with OC'ing. I had one going with Cheff as he is a really close friend IRL and thus would easily consider it. He then started this big OC thing, the only player refusing it was Mido, standing strong in her still current beliefs. However, I contacted her behind Cheff's back and asked for a type trade. She accepted and thus I faked it the whole way through. In a group of several people, including Cheff, me, Lone and Zexy (old mod and player for those who don't know him). We had all the info but something eventually didn't add up in our shared results (this was because of my switch). However, at this exact moment I already got all the correct answers so their discovery was too late and I betrayed all of them.
v5 was a fair game, I still won, but shared the victory.
v6 MP and AC won with me because they were the most helpful and I shared the results with them (similar to Lone and Zinn this game). So keep in mind that this could have easily been another OC Darth only victory.
Now, I feel like @Max1996 missed a version right after v4, whatever it was called. Where ALL the players joined into one big OC without me to undermine my betrayal from last game to make me lose. My only lost game ever but I don't count it for conspiracy reasons
Now what Max hasn't mentioned, which is similar to the team idea, is the ABC version. Here 6 player get 3 mons, 3 types and rotate between mosn they can use for attacks. There is also the dual type version, not sure if those are included in the above mentioned vX? @Max1996 Feel free to clarify.
Close to winning
First, yes I was close to winning. How close? Well at the time of modkill I was missing 4 people. Zinn-Co and Mido-Jinjo, these are grouped because they shared 2 possible types. I for certain would have figured out Zinn-CO in the same phase and the other one was a 50/50 guess. I would win by the end of round 3 at the latest.
OC is broken
I've mentioned it in past iterations of WotE, but allowing OC in this game results in heavy use of that if you want to play optimally. I've clearly shown that in the past and is part of the reason for my reputation this game (I still won those games without OC as well with other people). I've already started a bit of discussion with max after my retirement here but would love to help him out on friendly terms.
How I played this game
So, somewhere during R1 Max came online to, what he had to expect, 17pm's started by me, 1 for each player. I tried to find as much cooperation as possible. The msot impressive one was with Lone and Zinn who were already working together and invited me into the group. I gathered quirte some info already R1 and even asked them and iirc someone else to change thier targets to optimalise attacks as there were some duplicates looks at everyone who used fighting on the first 3 slots (+4th if they were included in the 3) and yes, selecting the bottom or middle 3 is very creative
I loved seeing the patterns of people.During R2 I collected info and shared all answers with Lone and Zinn. They woke up after the break and were surprised by what I had accomplished to the point that they got cautious of what was allowed due to my ban.
Oh yeah, when I figured this out it was hilarious
This... oh my god this is so fitting both for my name and reputation, it was Thievul to be specific, perfect.
No it's not, that's not the main gameplay mechanic, at least supposedly. That's why it's broken and that's why it needs a change.
Ok so quick history here, claiming types was allowed in the past, which allowed me to trade a claim with Mido and fool the entire game. Max then changed that to moves only, but looking up who can learn what combination really helps. So this was clearly still too powerful and thus, in this game at least, Max was smart enough by only allowed move types. Again, it proved to be ineffective and I can totally understand Max' frustration on it.
Hopefully I may speak for some of these people but you're not alone. Mido clearly stated a similar mindset and behaviour. HD already expressed his side and some other players like Soulmaster were quite hesitant to cooperate at first, not because of me but just OC in general.
Let me add some stuff to that:
v4: I traded types with Mido, as I mentioned earlier. People were cautious at first with OC'ing. I had one going with Cheff as he is a really close friend IRL and thus would easily consider it. He then started this big OC thing, the only player refusing it was Mido, standing strong in her still current beliefs. However, I contacted her behind Cheff's back and asked for a type trade. She accepted and thus I faked it the whole way through. In a group of several people, including Cheff, me, Lone and Zexy (old mod and player for those who don't know him). We had all the info but something eventually didn't add up in our shared results (this was because of my switch). However, at this exact moment I already got all the correct answers so their discovery was too late and I betrayed all of them.
v5 was a fair game, I still won, but shared the victory.
v6 MP and AC won with me because they were the most helpful and I shared the results with them (similar to Lone and Zinn this game). So keep in mind that this could have easily been another OC Darth only victory.
Now, I feel like @Max1996 missed a version right after v4, whatever it was called. Where ALL the players joined into one big OC without me to undermine my betrayal from last game to make me lose. My only lost game ever but I don't count it for conspiracy reasons
Now what Max hasn't mentioned, which is similar to the team idea, is the ABC version. Here 6 player get 3 mons, 3 types and rotate between mosn they can use for attacks. There is also the dual type version, not sure if those are included in the above mentioned vX? @Max1996 Feel free to clarify.
