• Bubapedia Error 503 Backend fetch failed

    Our technical staff are continuing to monitor the wiki to try and resolve these ongoing issues that are impacting page and image loading. We apologize for the inconvenience. We'll update as soon as we've got more information on this for you.

  • Check out our new Mysterious Garden forum style if you haven't already - we're sure you'll love it!
  • All members are allowed to express their opinions, no matter how unpopular, so long as they respect others and do not claim their opinion is the only valid opinion. While we understand that there is debate regarding Goh, someone posting an opinion you disagree with does not give you the right to attack them or report the content for trolling/baiting. This notice will serve as a 0-point warning and as such, Anime & Manga staff reserve the right to jump immediately to point warnings. For more information regarding our stance on arguments and debates, see this PSA.
  • If you are finding yourself unable to log in, you should be able to fix the issue by following the following process.
    1. Close all browser tabs with any part of Bulbagarden open.
    2. Delete all Bulbagarden.net cookies (and if possible, any cached site data for Bulbagarden) from your browser.
    3. Close and reopen your browser, open a new tab, and log into the forums on the new tab.
    If you've followed this process and are still having issues, please contact us via the "Contact us" link at the bottom of the forum.

What are Pokemon that you DON'T want Ash to catch (or wish that he hadn't caught) ?

Rainbow-Rain

LEADER OF THE INTELEON DEFENSE SQUAD
Joined
Jun 19, 2020
Messages
2,336
Reaction score
5,175
Everyone talks about how much they want Ash to catch certain Pokemon or how Ash should've caught so and so instead of whoever else already caught it

But what about the Pokemon that you DON'T want Ash to have?

Or alternatively, if Ash has already caught it, which Pokemon of his do you wish he hadn't caught?

What are your reasonings for this?


For example, I know this is probably an unpopular opinion and all but I don't want Ash to catch a Dunsparce.

Mainly because unless Game freak gives it a new evolution, I fail to see how a Dunsparce could really be a necessary capture for Ash. Dunsparce isn't a bad Pokemon but I don't see this one for Ash.

As for the Pokemon that he already has, I don't think Ash should've captured Snivy in retrospect. Mainly because I think it would've been a more fitting capture for either Iris, as they both share similar sassy personality traits, or Cilan, who despite being a Grass Type specialist, had very little actual Grass Types.

I also think that Totodile would have been a better fit for Misty

Who are some Pokemon that you DON'T want Ash to catch or think he shouldn't have caught?

Don't forget to include your reasonings
 
Last edited:

Ghost Diplocaulus

Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
2,492
Reaction score
8,671
Pronouns
she/her
Most of the Unova roster. The only ones I completely wish Ash had kept are Snivy, Oshawott (as much as I despise his character, the species itself is my favorite Unova Starter line, and I also think it's a great fit for Ash, so my ideal version of Oshawott would have been less of a jerk and/or recieved actual development), and Krookodile.

I didn't like how much of an Infernape rehash Pignite was, especially since he came right off the monkey's heels, so I think I would have given him to Cilan instead (albeit he likely would have remained a Tepig) and be used as a cook assistant or something.

Leavanny would have gone to Cilan as well, since I feel he fits Cilan's personality, matches well with the whole Connoisseur thing due to being a happiness-based evolution, and is a Grass-type, so it honestly would have been way better for Cilan than Crustle and Stunfisk.

Palpitoad and Boldore I think should have just stayed COTDs.

Unfezant and Scraggy I'm admittedly on the fence on whether they should have stayed on the team or not: on one hand, Unfezant was pretty terrible in battle, but on the other hand I feel like she would have had more opportunities to shine and become stronger if she was on a less bloated team. Plus, I kinda don't want Ash to lose one of the very few confirmed female Pokemon he has. Scraggy meanwhile was genuinely useful as a sparring partner for Axew and, like Unfezant, likely would have had better growth on a less bloated team. The only real issue I have with it is the type overlap with Krookodile (made all the more weird that Scraggy essentially was treated like a pure Fighting-type), so maybe I would have just had a Mienfoo in its role or something, but I still don't think I really mind Scraggy itself staying.

So... yeah. Basically just trim the excess fat of the Unova team and focus on properly developing and fleshing out the remaining members.
 

cricketlaxwolvesbandy

8/18: Never forget what they took away from us
Joined
Mar 14, 2021
Messages
1,162
Reaction score
1,322
Dragonite- don’t like it as a species plus became too OP too quickly
Melmetal and Naganadel- legendaries
30 Tauros- boring
Palpitoad and Boldore- useless who are just there for type overlap
Rowlet- hate this thing. Annoying as fuck
 

A Wild Luxray

Hear me roar!
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
8,071
Reaction score
11,577
Palpitoad and Boldore feel like some of his most unnecessary captures honestly, considering how they didn't contribute much at all story wise and they were generally sidelined. Boldore had one notable battle with Clay, and Palpitoad had a bit of Elesa, but other than that, I can't think of anything else.
 

Alola

UltraMysteryDungeon, when?
Joined
Jan 22, 2014
Messages
4,454
Reaction score
9,565
Palpitoad makes the list for me, with Boldore close behind.

The Vibration Pokémon's capture seemed unnecessary given that Ash literally had a full party when it occurred, already replete with a Water-type - Unova's Starter no less! While it was neat to see how a Poke Ball worked should a Trainer have six Pokémon already, Ash rarely did anything with Palpitoad aside from battle...which it barely got to do when you consider the entire saga. I think it had four notable, or perhaps the only, battles throughout its series; two Gym Battles where it ultimately got jobbed (in which it had type-advantages in both), a double knockout in the League, and its only decisive win against Burgundy. There were no focus episodes, a complete loss of interaction and camaraderie with Cilan's Stunfisk despite the two being buddies before, no bonding with his party mates, no sense of personality, and a drastic lack of screentime compared to its peers; it wasn't even allowed to evolve. If there was ever a Pokémon that appeared as if the writer's had no direction regarding it...it was Palpitoad.

Boldore had similar beats, but it actually had more screentime than its peer, even as a Roggenrola - because of this, I feel that Palpitoad still holds the #1 spot for Pokémon Ash didn't need per se; I also like the fact that Boldore was Ash's first Rock-type at the time, which was quite notable. Honestly, Palpitoad should have stuck to being the big fish in his pond. Mayhap a Trainer who actually would have given him the time he deserved could have come along.
 

Rainbow-Rain

LEADER OF THE INTELEON DEFENSE SQUAD
Joined
Jun 19, 2020
Messages
2,336
Reaction score
5,175
I legit think, Palpitoad and Levanny only existed as an excuse to keep Oshawott and Snivy from evolving :unsure:

When it was shown how popular Oshawott and Snivy were in Japan, the writers had to keep them small and cute for marketing purposes.

And Since they were so small, Ash couldn't rely on them for more tougher battles so they gave him Palpitoad and Levanny to compensate
 

Ghost Diplocaulus

Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
2,492
Reaction score
8,671
Pronouns
she/her
I legit think, Palpitoad and Levanny only existed as an excuse to keep Oshawott and Snivy from evolving :unsure:

When it was shown how popular Oshawott and Snivy were in Japan, the writers had to keep them small and cute for marketing purposes.

And Since they were so small, Ash couldn't rely on them for more tougher battles so they gave him Palpitoad and Levanny to compensate
I think Palpitoad at least is a more complicated case, since there's apparently rumors that Krokorok was originally going to be caught during the cancelled Team Plasma two-parter, and with that little hiccup the writers had to slip in a last-minute replacement Ground-type while they scrambled to figure out a plotline for Krokorok to be caught. It would certainly explain Palpitoad's lack of appearances and personality: likely all its battles were originally supposed to be Krokorok's (barring the one against Stephan at the League for obvious reasons, but by then Ash's team was already established).

That said, though, I'm not sure why Snivy and Oshawott couldn't have worked for "tougher" battles, considering Pikachu is used on those all the time as are other unevolved mons. I mean, what, Rowlet is allowed to beat its own final stage, but Snivy and Oshawott are too weak and wimpy to handle any opponent slightly outside their weight class??
 

Rainbow-Rain

LEADER OF THE INTELEON DEFENSE SQUAD
Joined
Jun 19, 2020
Messages
2,336
Reaction score
5,175
That said, though, I'm not sure why Snivy and Pshawott couldn't have worked for "tougher" battles, considering Pikachu is used on those all the time as are other unevolved mons. I mean, what, Rowlet is allowed to beat its own final stage, but Snivy and Oshawott are to weak and wimpy to handle any opponent slightly outside their weight class??
Given Snivy and Oshawott's track records in BW it certainly does seem like the writers had that mindset

Especially Snivy, everytime she went up against someone much bigger than her she lost.
 

Ghost Diplocaulus

Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
2,492
Reaction score
8,671
Pronouns
she/her
Given Snivy and Oshawott's track records in BW it certainly does seem like the writers had that mindset

Especially Snivy, everytime she went up against someone much bigger than her she lost.
Yeah, I know, I'm just pointing out the writers' apparent contradictory logic. It doesn't seem fair for Oshawott and Snivy to be considered "too weak" in the face of the many NFEs Ash has that routinely topple titanic opponents.
 

HiroHunter

Limits can be broken!
Joined
Oct 10, 2017
Messages
839
Reaction score
1,157
Yeah, I know, I'm just pointing out the writers' apparent contradictory logic. It doesn't seem fair for Oshawott and Snivy to be considered "too weak" in the face of the many NFEs Ash has that routinely topple titanic opponents.
Because BW didn't seem to have any idea of what to do with Ash's Unova Team
 

A Wild Luxray

Hear me roar!
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
8,071
Reaction score
11,577
Because BW didn't seem to have any idea of what to do with Ash's Unova Team
With BW, I think they bit off more than they could chew. They showed they couldn't handle rotating Pokemon well enough and give everyone the proper screentime and development with such a large cast of Pokemon.
 

Enzo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2020
Messages
1,592
Reaction score
6,286
Pronouns
He/Him
I will say it: Mimey.

Cuz here's the thing about retcons. I believe that a good retcon has to answer two questions to justify it's existence: 1) Does it still makes sense within the universe and doesn't creates any other plot holes? and 2) What exactly do you gain by altering that piece of the universe?

On the first question, we can already see a problem. So, you're telling me that Ash captured a whole ass Pokémon over 20 years and 936 eps ago and he didn't wanted to battle with it once? And this is the thing, you see: it's not that Mimey is a pacifist who refuses to battle. He battles when Ash asks him to and he's no opposed to it.

And even if you argue that Mimey's primary goal is to help Delia, well, firstly, she's not opposed to him battling, it seems, as even Delia herself is not afraid to battle (as Mimey's debut ep and her ordering Litten in SM proved) and even if Mimey never wanted to stop helping Delia out, Ash could still call him up eventually when he wanted to while still letting Mimey be happy with Delia. So really, why hasn't Ash ever used him in anything?

And the second question, which is also a fail. Because, really, what exactly does Mimey being Ash's mon adds to the story that justifies this retcon? Mimey is still not considered part of Ash's team, it doesn't travels with him nor does it battles in the PWC. Like, Mimey barely even appears. So why was this even accepted into canon if it doesn't adds anything new?

This recton was a disaster and shouldn't have been done.
 
Last edited:

Rainbow-Rain

LEADER OF THE INTELEON DEFENSE SQUAD
Joined
Jun 19, 2020
Messages
2,336
Reaction score
5,175
I will say it: Mimey.

Cuz here's the thing about retcons. I believe that a good retcon has to answer two questions to justify it's existence: 1) Does it still makes sense within the universe and doesn't creates any other plot holes? and 2) What exactly do you gain by altering that piece of the universe?

On the first question, we can already see a problem. So, we're telling me that Ash captured a whole ass Pokémon over 20 years and 936 eps ago and he didn't wanted to battle with it once? And this is the thing, you see: it's not that Mimey is a pacifist who refuses to battle. He battles when Ash asks him to and he's no opposed to it.

And even if you argue that Mimey's primary goal is to help Delia, well, firstly, she's not opposed to him battling, it seems, as even Delia herself is not afraid to battle (as Mimey's debut ep and her ordering Litten in SM proved) and even if Mimey never wanted to stop helping Delia out, Ash could still call him up eventually when he wanted to while still letting Mimey be happy with Delia. So really, why hasn't Ash ever used him in anything?

And the second question, which is also a fail. Because, really, what exactly does Mimey being Ash's mon adds to the story that justifies this retcon? Mimey is still not considered part of Ash's team, it doesn't travels with him nor does it battles in the PWC. Like, Mimey barely even appears. So why was this even accepted into canon if it doesn't adds anything new?

This recton was a disaster and shouldn't have been done.
I feel like they only gave him Mimey to Justify why Ash doesn't have a single Fairy or Psychic Type Pokemon

Because every other Fairy would be 'Too Girly" for Ash. Am I right?
 

Enzo

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2020
Messages
1,592
Reaction score
6,286
Pronouns
He/Him
I feel like they only gave him Mimey to Justify why Ash doesn't have a single Fairy or Psychic Type Pokemon

Because every other Fairy would be 'Too Girly" for Ash. Am I right?
I also think that might be the case. Which is dumb as fuck.
 

Hidden Mew

Super Moderator
Joined
Jun 17, 2006
Messages
13,270
Reaction score
17,598
I honestly keep forgetting that Mr. Mime even exists despite how stupid and pointless that retcon was, which is kind of impressive in a way. It felt more like they made the retcon so that Ash didn't have to rely on one of his reserves so early in the series and they didn't want him to catch a new Pokemon before Dragonite. If they were concerned about Ash not having his own Fairy type and using Mr. Mime for that, you'd think that he'd be using it more often than he does.
 

Unireon

僕の心は 君のもの
Joined
Aug 4, 2020
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
1,895
I feel like they only gave him Mimey to Justify why Ash doesn't have a single Fairy or Psychic Type Pokemon

Because every other Fairy would be 'Too Girly" for Ash. Am I right?
What a lame excuse of a reason to justify a retcon that never should have happened...

I would give him the Ralts and Mibrim lines just to fight that idea.
And he needs more female representation in his teams, especially as the Ace.
During XY I wanted him getting a shiny Nymphia, but that won't work now.

Pokemon that he shouldn't have got: Pokabu, Kenhorou, Gamagaru.....
The former was a rehash that came too soon, and the others were bland and forgettable.
And lately/especially; the Shillmon aka Lucario, being given so much attention and still lacking depths.
 
Top Bottom