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I feel she gets more hate than she deserves.
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Exactly.
Good character.
Maybe I prefer previous characters but she still wasn't bad. I used to love her ,,You're such a kid".
Such a pity she disappeared after BW...
Just like saw, she had a great talent- as a character and as a trainer
True, from what little I watched of BW Iris was the least memorable.For how annoying she was and all the drama she caused, now I realize she is just a very forgettable character. I often forget she was on the show. I guess it's because didn't get any good resolution to her subplots.
I know she's annoying, but people make it seem as if she hated Ash.
Plus, there's another PokéGirl Who used to tease Ash.
That are some key differences that I don't think people recognize when they make that comparison. Misty used to tease Ash, but that was back when he was a rookie trainer and made a lot more mistakes. Misty calling him out felt a lot more justified compared to Iris getting on his case for acting just a little bit immature. Not to mention that the arguments with Iris were all one sided practically. Ash rarely reacted to Iris's comments, so it felt like a poor attempt at recreating that dynamic instead of actually doing something new and interesting. It also helped that we did see a sense of friendship growing between Ash and Misty, while I don't think we really got that from Ash and Iris. Even the standard Ash arguing with the new female lead episode didn't really do much to help with their friendship.
Anyway, I hated Iris back then and I still do. There aren't a lot of characters from the anime that I do genuinely hate, but Iris wins that prize. I remember thinking she had such potential when BW started because they were laying out all of her flaws clear as day and I liked the idea of her goal to evolve Axew. Axew's growth in strength and evolution could have served to mirror her own growth as a trainer and character. Clearly, that did not happen.
She was so unlikable, annoying and such a hypocrite. She kept getting on Ash's case for acting like a kid, even though she was just as immature, if not more so, than he was most of the time. I don't mind that they dropped the whole Axew evolving aspect of her goal. That was still pretty weak when they just addressed it a couple of times, but they still could have made it work by having Axew slowly gain more strength over the course of the series. Instead, we get moments like it learning Outrage and Giga Impact to give the illusion that it had gotten stronger even though Iris barely did any training with it. Even Axew itself was annoying because they kept going back and forth between making it powerful and a weak baby Pokemon. It was like they wanted it to be Togepi and Piplup at the same time, but that didn't work.
Practically all of Iris's accomplishments were handed to her on a silver plate. She rarely had to do any work herself. Cilan had to point out why Excadrill wasn't listening to her, which really paints a terrible picture of Iris when you consider that this issue must have been going on for at least a couple of years given how young she looked in the flashbacks. She never thought of anything else to do with Excadrill other than calling it out in the hopes that it would listen to her. But one apology was enough to erase years of anger in Excadrill. And because they didn't want to evolve Axew, they just gave her a Dragonite. In retrospect, I don't even understand why they made Dragonite disobedient other than giving her more undeserved victories. She didn't learn anything from that conflict, especially when it was resolved due to Iris protecting Dragonite like when she first met it. It also showed how Iris really wasn't learning anything from her journey. Despite having a similar problem with Excadrill, Iris's main means of attempting to solve the problem was just yelling at Dragonite to listen to her. She didn't really try anything else or consider using another Pokemon for the rest of that tournament so she could work more on Dragonite later. I think that the only accomplishment Iris really earned was getting Axew to master Dragon Rage and even then, her training method was just to keep ordering the attack until it worked. At least when Ash has done that, he actually spends time working on the move during training instead of doing it in the heat of battle.
She was shown to be a flawed character, but they never really addressed those flaws in meaningful ways. The few times it did happen was in passing or for comedy like when Georgia asked why she was using Excadrill instead of Axew. They made it clear that Iris was an extra special trainer and I probably wouldn't have minded that as much if Iris deserved that kind of attention/treatment, but she really didn't. The show tried so hard to make it seem like she had grown or that she was much stronger as a result of her journey, but it felt so forced and hallow. She was easily my biggest problem with BW, or at least tied with Ash's regression of his skills in that area, and she is still my least favorite female lead thus far.
I hate her and hope she has fallen off a cliff while searching for Rayquaza.
It also helped that we did see a sense of friendship growing between Ash and Misty, while I don't think we really got that from Ash and Iris.
I do feel they tried to copy Misty but it got botched. They probably though calling Ash a kid over and over was funny, but it wasn't. But she was a friend of Ash.
And this same series had Trip, which was a lazy rip-off of Paul.
QueenEevee said:Also, Ash was a noob un BW. It was just that people didn't like it because he was regressed.
QueenEevee said:I didn't like Cilan much. At first, I though he was a breath of fresh air because Brock falling in love with every girl he meets was annoying, but then, he seemed too perfect.
QueenEevee said:BW was a series where OLM/TPC felt too complacent after the success that was DP, so decided to act lazy. XY too was lazy, but hey, why put much effort into something that's guaranteed to sell tons of money at the end of the day?
True. In Ash's battle with Homika though, I dug how Iris got Dent to cheer him on just like Homika had her support. That was the strongest sign of friendship I saw for Iris towards Ash.