We Rise from the Ashes to Begin Again
- Nov 16, 2013
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Thanks for explaining it, it makes a lot more sense to me now.It's a problem of nomenclature. Ice is what we call the solid state of water, however, I don't think the core concept behind Ice-type Pokemon is necessarily "frozen water" so much as it is cold temperatures. It was a bit more conflated in Gen I due to the high rates of dual Water/Ice types, but as time went on, it's evident that the core of Ice type is cold temperatures.While I agree with you about how Greninja can probably make more types of weapons(it even looks like he's using blades in one of his attacks during the trailer), your link seems to say that ice forms at different temperatures depending on the pressure. That is to say, it's still frozen water, it just froze at a different temperature. Of course, I don't know much about it and it was pretty confusing to me, so I could be wrong.
Now when we look at this chart, we have Ice VI, VII, X, and XI forming at high pressure in the temperature range of 0 to 100 degrees Celsius (i.e., the normal range for liquid water under normal pressure). If you subscribe to the idea that the core concept of Ice Type Pokemon is cold temperatures and not frozen water, then those forms of ice would be devoid of the critical element of ice type Pokemon. As such, Greninja's weapons, while technically ice (i.e., solidified water) would be infused with water-type characteristics and not ice type.
If Greninja's solidified water weapons were created by temperature changes, I'd agree with your concern, but since its due to pressure change, it's still purely water-type to me, and not at all influenced by ice type powers. Greninja just seems to be an incredibly unique water Pokemon in that it can manipulate the states of water through pressure, unlike dual Water/Ice Pokemon (like Lapras) who do it through temperature.
Now, what I want to know is if Greninja's control on pressurizing water also extends to relieving pressure, or if it can be trained to do that. If it can, than Greninja can vaporize water without the need of applying any sort of heat. Can you imagine the type of dominance it would have in a water-only Pokemon tournament, if it can depressurize an opponent's Hydro Pump, turn it into water vapour, without harming yourself from 100 degree Celsius steam.
I mean, technically you're right, the temperature at which water freezes shifts with the pressure exerted on it. But on the flip side, it's also saying that the pressure at which water freezes shifts with temperature (i.e., the hotter it is, the greater the pressure needed). Greninja solidifies water not by manipulating temperature, but by manipulating pressure. It's a lot less intuitive to "increase pressure" than it is to "drop temperature" but, that's apparently how Greninja does it.