SwSh What do you think of James Turner being the art director for Sword and Shield

[venusboi79]

All of those (other than that Grass type boar) are derivative and/or boring. And that’s mainly because we don’t have a plethora of pig based Pokémon, and the fact that wild pigs/boars are inherently tied to forests.

 

[Oriden]

All of those (other than that Grass type boar) are derivative and/or boring. And that’s mainly because we don’t have a plethora of pig based Pokémon, and the fact that wild pigs/boars are inherently tied to forests.

We do have quite a number of piggies already, though. Mankey, Swinub, Tepig, Spoink? XD

But yeah, definitely agree on the fan designs. Main point though was the rule that he can't look at them.

 

[dvor]

I'd like the kangaroo even tho the design in itself is pretty boring.
i want a fighting type kangaroo pokemon

 

[venusboi79]

We do have quite a number of piggies already, though. Mankey, Swinub, Tepig, Spoink? XD

But yeah, definitely agree on the fan designs. Main point though was the rule that he can't look at them.

I always think of Mankey as a weird monkey with a pig snout. I was only thinking of the Spoink and Tepig lines; completely forgot about the Swinub line!

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Spoiler

Though for what it's worth I like the designs, and I think Churagon, Chaivory, and Trawlure are more unique than they're given credit for.

 

[AngryBinacle]

Oh haha, this seems relevant to the plagiarism discussion-


View: https://twitter.com/JamesTurner_42/status/1173363168275386369

Bless your soul for stopping this off-topic discussion.

 

[Oriden]

Bless your soul for stopping this off-topic discussion.

Funny enough, I was actually looking to see if he'd admitted to designing any of the revealed Pokémon yet and found that instead. XD

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

And now we go back to the original question-why bother risking legal action by taking part of someone's idea while still putting in the creative work? They still have to go to the trouble of creating a new design. They've added challenges to their workload, by having to create a distinct design and avoid legal action, with no benefits from it. No matter how many times you smugly tell everyone "Some people plagiarize", that doesn't change the fact that it's not worth the risk for Pokemon to do so.

For Pokémon? It's not about a company, it's about individuals. Like said before, I don't expect nor believe GF to endorse this behavioir, but one cannot so easily and in a naive way exclude the possibility of someone doing the things that I've mentioned.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

Are you talking about actual designs here? Or are you referring to vague concepts?

Because I’m sure I’m not the only one who was salty that there was no Grass Evee in Gen 1/2 (I mean, the Leaf Stone is one of the original evolution stones and Grass is one of the core mechanic types!), but I don’t think anyone from GF plagiarized an idea of mine. And obviously it was on their minds early on, because one of the scrapped ‘mons from the “Pokémon 2” beta was a Grass-types eveelution.

At the end of the day, people are people; the original concept of “memes” was the idea that there is a certain amount of cultural osmosis. For example, the idea of not wanting to disturb a fickle cat who has chosen to sit on your lap is a common concept in art and stories across centuries and multiple countries/cultures. So until someone has tangible evidence that their design for an Electric/Fire penguin was stolen wholesale, I think we can just assume that both the design team and fans of the franchise just have similar ideas.

Both. Like I said, it'll depend on how it's done, where it was obtained, etc (as mentioned with the teapot Pkmn example).

 

[TechSkylander1518]

For Pokémon? It's not about a company, it's about individuals. Like said before, I don't expect nor believe GF to endorse this behavioir, but one cannot so easily and in a naive way exclude the possibility of someone doing the things that I've mentioned.

Those problems still exist for the individual. An individual employee choosing to copy someone's design but altering it enough to seem original is still getting the same workload and risking legal action. It's not at all reasonable for someone to do that, and recognizing that isn't being naive.

 

[Oriden]

For Pokémon? It's not about a company, it's about individuals. Like said before, I don't expect nor believe GF to endorse this behavioir, but one cannot so easily and in a naive way exclude the possibility of someone doing the things that I've mentioned.

No one was discussing whether it was possible for anyone to ever scout the internet for designs and concepts to steal. This was never the focus of this conversation.

These posts?

I think the he is using pokemon forums because many fan wishesh are getting done right, could be better ability and move wise but it's the right direction.

Crazy but not impossible taking that they all research websites and social media with coworkers.

This is what we were addressing. The fact that the artists at Game Freak are not presumably scouting the internet for ideas because they're simply not allowed to. We're not being "naive," we are asserting a fact- they are not allowed to do this and there is no reason to believe that they are.


Sorry about quoting you, Matleo, but this conversation has gotten ridiculous. They're not scouting the internet for ideas, period.

 

[Matleo]

No one was discussing whether it was possible for anyone to ever scout the internet for designs and concepts to steal. This was never the focus of this conversation.

These posts?


This is what we were addressing. The fact that the artists at Game Freak are not presumably scouting the internet for ideas because they're simply not allowed to. We're not being "naive," we are asserting a fact- they are not allowed to do this and there is no reason to believe that they are.


Sorry about quoting you, Matleo, but this conversation has gotten ridiculous. They're not scouting the internet for ideas, period.

there is no way to avoid zoos, movies, series, legend and myths... also I would rather want that they listen to us fans, then the games are affordable and get better... and not so many people complain then.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

there is no way to avoid zoos, movies, series, legend and myths...

Literally nobody was saying that. What we're saying is that Pokemon employees are looking to inspiration sources out of copyright, and they're not going to steal from fans.

also I would rather want that they listen to us fans, then the games are affordable and get better...

They are not going to lower the price because they stole an idea from somebody.

 

[Emmy]

It's really interesting to see how Turner's artworks compare and contrast with the ones from Sugimori and others from the GameInformer release. I really dig it <3


View: https://twitter.com/PLDHnet/status/1180155641312137217

 

[Matleo]

Literally nobody was saying that. What we're saying is that Pokemon employees are looking to inspiration sources out of copyright, and they're not going to steal from fans.

They are not going to lower the price because they stole an idea from somebody.

Seriously we use why they gave us. We use type combinations and imagine how it could work...
O even send my idea to the pokemon company via quora and hope they like it and use it realy.

Also I would not think of stealing but rather of showing abilities and hoping for maybe a form of contact.
I rather think that if I'm a fan, and gave anonymously my ideas in the past I did it for something I liked and love to play and see.

For me a gratification is that they used Polish word "Galar" as the regions name and created a European Badger pokemon. If we get a lux , or a dragon or goat pokemon inspired on Cracow I'm also happy.
The European motives are superv when now Ponyta came into play, we even disscussed Ponyta and Rapidash and Unicorns here remember TechSkylander1518 ?

 

[Oriden]

Seriously we use why they gave us. We use type combinations and imagine how it could work...
O even send my idea to the pokemon company via quora and hope they like it and use it realy.

Honestly they probably just throw any ideas sent to them out. They have a pretty clear policy on not wanting ideas from fans.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Seriously we use why they gave us. We use type combinations and imagine how it could work...

That doesn't make things any more legal to use.

O even send my idea to the pokemon company via quora and hope they like it and use it realy.

Via Quora, the question/answer site? I don't see how that would make it to Pokemon.

Also I would not think of stealing but rather of showing abilities and hoping for maybe a form of contact.

But you were suggesting taking ideas from forums and social media, not idea submissions through contacting them.

For me a gratification is that they used Polish word "Galar" as the regions name

Why would they use Polish to name a region that has nothing to do with Poland?

The European motives are superv when now Ponyta came into play, we even disscussed Ponyta and Rapidash and Unicorns here remember@ TechSkylander1518 ?

You discussed that idea with PkmnTrainerV, not me.

 

[Oriden]

According to you.

e_e According to their policies and rules.

 

[Leaf_Ranger]

e_e According to their policies and rules.

Yes, because policies and rules are always followed...

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Yes, because policies and rules are always followed...

Oh, silly, naive us, believing that someone would prefer to follow policies to keep their job instead of stealing ideas and risking their career!