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What if Ash had taken Scott's offer in Kanto

Mar 26, 2011
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I don't know if someone else made a thread like this or not, but, hypothetically, what if Ash had decided to become a Frontier Brain?

I know it's not exactly the same as being a Gym leader, but it is pretty darn close.

Any way, how would Ash run a Battle Facility? Would he have a theme like the others? Would he have his own staff to help him? Would he have all of his Pokemon brought there to him?

How would Anabel take that news?

Just something to think about
more afraid of you
Mar 11, 2015
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The show would have ended by now because it wouldn't have been popular enough with a new protagonist and even if it went on they would have already decided to never revisit Ash again because its too far in the future. (He probably would've been seen for a short while in the DP series and thats about it).

As far as his facility, he would have almost certainly kept his side kick Brock there, especially if he became a doctor first and could help heal his Pokemon between challengers. I think he probably would get bored though, because even if he got good challenges, eventually he would probably want to travel again.
Likes cute Pokemon
Aug 15, 2014
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Well, many lives would have been effected if Ash went to be a frontier brain. I'm going to make a list of what would happen.

  • May would just finish being in the Kanto contests and then take Max home.
  • Brock would wish Ash luck and then go home to start working as a Pokemon breeder. (At this point, he haven't decided on being a Pokemon doctor yet)
  • Aipom would still be with Ash and will never meet Dawn. She may or may not evolve. Aipom will never get into ping pong.
  • Dawn's first adventure with Piplup would still be the same when she first meets him, but she will continue on her journey on her own and never meets Ash and Brock.
  • Jessie, James, and Meowth would still go after Pikachu, but will have a tougher time going after Ash in the battle frontier.
  • Staraptor will never meet Ash and would still be wild or be with someone else.
  • Paul will never meet Ash and will be his normal cold hearted self. He may meet Ash much later when he goes to the battle frontier, their first meeting would be very different.
  • Torterra will never meet Ash and still living in a forest as a Turtwig keeping wild Pokemon safe and breaking up fights.
  • Since Infernape would never meet Ash as a Chimchar, Chimchar will still be with Paul being abused and eventually abandoned while being badly injured.
  • Buizel would still be living at the river and waterfall where Dawn originally catches him. Since He might not meet Dawn, he would be with someone else.
  • Dialga and Palkia's battle would have still "killed" Darkrai, but will also wipe Alamos town out of existence and everyone in it will die since Ash, Brock, and Dawn won't be around to stop and battle and calm Dialga and Palkia down.
  • The Adamant orb would have been stolen much earlier from the Eterna Historical Museum instead of being stolen from a helicopter on the way to Celestic town.
  • The Lustrous Orb will still be stolen by Team Galactic and they will have an easier time doing so.
  • Gliscor would still be a Gligar living in a newly abandoned city with the other Gligar.
  • Since Shaymin got a cold and have to rest to recover from it, he won't be able to make it to the flower garden in time like he wanted.
  • Zero would have successfully captured Shaymin and his him to absorb a toxic cloud and use seed flair.
  • Because Ash and Dawn wouldn't be around to help Newton stop Zero from taking Giratina's power, Giratina would have died and Zero wreak havoc from the distortion world.
  • Dawn's Mamoswine would still live as a wild Pokemon as a Swinub or be with someone else.
  • Dawn may never get her Cyndaquil egg.
  • Ash's Gible would never meet Ash and still living as a wild Pokemon or be with someone else.
  • Kenny would never have been involved with the Unown at the Solaceon Ruins after Team Galactic stole the Spear key.
  • Brock's Bonsly would never evolves into Sudowoodoo.
  • Brock would never met and catch his Crogunk.
  • Brock would never get a Happiny egg, the egg would be won by someone else.
  • Ash would never see Azelf's spirit.
  • Brock would never see Uxie's spirit.
  • Ash, Dawn, and Brock would never learn about Sinnoh's legions and myths. (Dawn would still know some that she learned about in her childhood)
  • Team Galactic will easily get away with stealing Veilstone city's meteorites.
  • Maylene would have taken longer to get back to her gym.
  • Team Galactic would have completely scanned MT. Corornet and found Spear pillar easily since Ash, Dawn, and Brock won't be there to stop them.
  • Pokemon hunter J will be stealing Pokemon to sell to her clients undisturbed like she had always done before Ash went to Sinnoh originally.
  • Gary will have a hard time protecting the Shieldon from J.
  • Dialga and Palkia battles Arceus in Michina Town to stop him from destroying the town out of anger. They eventually get overwhelmed by Arceus and Arceus destroys the entire town.
  • Hunter J will help Team Galactic capture Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie much earlier then originally, Gary would be unable to reach lake Valor in time to try to stop them.
  • Because there's little to no warning compared to what happened originally, the International Police would struggle to catch up and stop team Galactic.
  • Cyrus successfully summons Dialga and Palkia and makes them create a whole new universe, destroying everything and killing everyone. Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie quickly dies when Cyrus forces them to summon Dialga and Palkia.
This is pretty much what would happen if Ash accepts to be a frontier brain, all of the events after this ponit will never happen since the Pokemon planet will no longer exist. The list of events I made just shows how one little diction Ash makes can have a huge effect on what happens in Sinnoh and everything else. At that one episode, Ash didn't really know what his future lies ahead and just by this list, he had made the right choice. Hope you have fun reading the list, it took a long time and a lot of thinking to make. ;)
Apr 21, 2012
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They would probably have a Serena like character as the main character but going for gyms. Probably have Ash pop in once and a while.
Aug 14, 2008
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He could set up shop in Masara Town, and Kasumi would come visit on her bike all the time and they would be happy ever after until Ginga-Dan ends the world. The end. (The best ending IMHO.)
Mar 26, 2011
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I think you all misunderstood what i was getting at

The question wasn't what adventures Ash would have missed out on or what later events would never have taken place. It was what kind of Frontier Brain Ash would make, what kind of perks would the occupation have and how it would effect his relationships with the other Brains (particularly Anabel).

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, the more important events that Ash was apart of later on, didn't happen or were taken care of by someone else.
Only 79 new Pokemon?
Aug 11, 2012
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Welll....to begin with, that Chimchar would have suffered with Paul a long time.
To be fair paul would have released chimchar anyways. Jury's out on whether chimmy could have recovered emotionally though.

It would be funny if that resulted in ash being put in the platinum battle frontier for his replacement to fight

I'm sure Azelf and uxie could have found some replacements to appear to had ash and brock not been there or perhaps the lack of Ash causes cynthia to get off her ass and fight cyrus herself.