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For a twist: which gen 5 pokemon is the worse? Please no troll answers like Magikarp or Tynamo.
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For a twist: which gen 5 pokemon is the worse? Please no troll answers like Magikarp or Tynamo.
Swoobat is pretty awful. Unfezant deserves a special mention for a spectacular display of movepool/stat dissonance the likes of which haven't been seen since Gen IV screwed over Sceptile. Basculin is also pretty bad and Swanna and Seismitoad are both severely outclassed by Pokemon of other generations (Gyarados and Swampert respectively, for example.) Emolga and Stunfisk kinda suck too, as well as Liepard and Watchog.
There's a big contest on which of these is the absolute worst, but these Pokemon are all pretty bad. Gen V did have its duds, after all.
I fail to see how Gen. IV "screwed over" Sceptile. Sure, it lost Leaf Blade and ThunderPunch to the Physical side, but it got more than enough to compensate, and not just through moves. The thing got competitively famous for things like its speedy Choice Specs Leaf Storm.
Besides, it can viably use its former signature move (Leaf Blade) through a Swords Dance set.
Leaf Storm is completely outclassed by Serpeior. Sceptile does more on the first Leaf Storm and is faster, but Serpeior is still fast, bulkier, and doesn't need to switch out fearing -2 Special Attack.
I fail to see how Gen. IV "screwed over" Sceptile. Sure, it lost Leaf Blade and ThunderPunch to the Physical side, but it got more than enough to compensate, and not just through moves. The thing got competitively famous for things like its speedy Choice Specs Leaf Storm.
Besides, it can viably use its former signature move (Leaf Blade) through a Swords Dance set.
In Gen III, a good portion of Sceptile's movepool used his excellent Sp. Attack stat. This includes (but is not limited to) moves such as Thunderpunch, Dragon Claw and Leaf Blade.
With the generational shift, most of those moves (including his best coverage moves) were made physical. Problem? He has a mediocre physical stat and a lot of competition for a role as physical sweeper. Why use SD Sceptile when you can use DD Salamence/Dragonite/Tyranitar/Gyarados, Breloom, Agiligross or Scizor in OU and Venusaur (in general,) Arcanine, Torterra, Leafeon and others in UU?
His special movepool became composed of Grass attack (Leaf Storm/Energy Ball,) Focus Blast, Dragon Pulse and Hidden Power. Pretty one-note and predictable, which makes it pretty easy to counter.
Gen V brought in the hurt again by forcing players to choose between Dragon Pulse and Unburden. Most will choose the latter for its utility, leaving Sceptile with only three worthwhile Special moves.
The best thing it can hope to do now is MixTile, but with the evergrowing metagame, it gets a lot of competition from other Pokemon, both old and new.
Venusaur is still excellent as ever, especially in UU. Serperior is the better user of Leaf Storm, Roserade is still awesome, SD variants are outclassed by Breloom even moreso now that he gets Technician, Celebi/Shaymin[-S]/Virizion all pretty clearly outclass him, Torterra is still the better physical sweeper, Liligant can carve a niche for herself with Quiver Dance (which all the Starters would kill for,) Tangrowth/Leafeon and several other Grass types all have various offensive niches which match or surpass whatever Sceptile can bring to the table.
Then you have the non-Grassers that far outclass Sceptile as a Pokemon. Salamence/Garchomp/Dragonite/Hydreigon/Tyranitar/Metagross, Haxorous, Darmanitan, the monkey, Gyarados, even Feraligatr, Scizor, Lucario, Heatran and co. can all do what Sceptile does at something but better.
Throw in the surge of Fire types, again both old and new, that have been rising lately as a result of Stealth Rock's crippling and Generation V introduction (Pokemon like the monkey, Heatran, Houndoom, Arcanine and Ninetales are all joined by new threats like Chandelure, Darmanitan and Volcanora) and all Grass types have a pretty difficult time keeping up. Sceptile is no exception.
I'm not saying Sceptile is useless or that it doesn't bring anything to the table. Excedingly fast, frighteningly strong Leaf Storms, the now buffed up Giga Drains, Hidden Power of choice running off a 105 Sp. Atk, mix options with Earthquake/Rock Slide/Thunderpunch (Gen IV variants only)/Leaf Blade and the like are all things Sceptile appreciates, but losing half of his coverage moves in the generation shift (and make no mistake, giving them to his Attack stat is the same as losing them completely unless you're using mix sets) gave it a stat/movepool dissonance that it hasn't been fully able to recover from yet. So in that context, Gen IV did screw Sceptile over. That it managed to still be a force in the Gen IV UU metagame with half his coverage moves effectively removed is just a testament to this Pokemon's prowess, that it could overcome its shortcomings, but it did (and still does) have major problems.
Blazekein is uber now? Dayumn leave for a few days and come back to this. I dont think he'll stay uber for too long, however it is still very threatining.
Blaziken in Ubers? WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem. Anyway, nice thread.
How is Blaziken broken, Smogon? As amazing as it is in OU, it certainly wasn't unbeatable. It could still be smashed by Aqua Jets, Mach Punches and strong priority moves in general, which seem more common than ever. The prevalence of weather not named sun hurt, what with powered up Aqua Jet from Azumarill and Carracosta. The omnipresent Excadrill could kill it if it got in there quickly enough. And all of that without chronic four moveslot syndrome. Not to mention Reuniclus with either sub or trick room.
But broken in standard: I seriously think not. Roll on the return of the chicken.
How is Blaziken broken, Smogon? As amazing as it is in OU, it certainly wasn't unbeatable. It could still be smashed by Aqua Jets, Mach Punches and strong priority moves in general, which seem more common than ever.
Blaziken in Ubers? WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem. Anyway, nice thread.
How is Blaziken broken, Smogon? As amazing as it is in OU, it certainly wasn't unbeatable. It could still be smashed by Aqua Jets, Mach Punches and strong priority moves in general, which seem more common than ever. The prevalence of weather not named sun hurt, what with powered up Aqua Jet from Azumarill and Carracosta. The omnipresent Excadrill could kill it if it got in there quickly enough. And all of that without chronic four moveslot syndrome. Not to mention Reuniclus with either sub or trick room.
Amazingly powerful: yes. The Excadrill of Sun teams: quite probably. Viable in Ubers: most certainly.
But broken in standard: I seriously think not. Roll on the return of the chicken.