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Will the starters get Hisuian forms?

Which starters will get Hisuian forms?

  • The Legends: Arceus starters (Rowlet, Cyndaquil, Oshawott)

  • The Sinnoh starters (Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup)

  • Both sets will get Hisuian forms

  • Neither set will get Hisuian forms


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Emmy

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An archer (Decidueye), a shogun (Typhlosion) and a samurai (Samurott) fit perfectly in the time period Legends is set (Japan of the past).
I don't mean to be rude, but "Japan of the Past"? that's such a huge stretch you could go bungee jumping with it.

The most egregious example there was Typhlosion, who not only has nothing at all to do with a Shogun but even if he had it wouldn't have mattered since the Shogunate had already been abolished by the time Legends is set. The same can be said of Samurott as not only were the Samurai discontinued by this point, the game is set in Hisui which is based on the land of Ezo which had very little to do with the samurai class of Japan.

The most I can give you is Decidueye of whom the Ainu were said to be very skilled archers. But without the other two it hardly constitutes a "theme".
 

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I don't mean to be rude, but "Japan of the Past"? that's such a huge stretch you could go bungee jumping with it.

The most egregious example there was Typhlosion, who not only has nothing at all to do with a Shogun but even if he had it wouldn't have mattered since the Shogunate had already been abolished by the time Legends is set. The same can be said of Samurott as not only were the Samurai discontinued by this point, the game is set in Hisui which is based on the land of Ezo which had very little to do with the samurai class of Japan.

The most I can give you is Decidueye of whom the Ainu were said to be very skilled archers. But without the other two it hardly constitutes a "theme".
Typhlosion japanese name refers to shougun. And yes, Japan of the past for the exact reason you wrote. I don't think at GF people could find three starters that could fit the exact time period. They picked the three that matched the most, so an archer, a shogun and a samurai, all related to Japan history.
 

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No, it doesn't.

I'm starting to have flashbacks to all the Azoth theories now. o_O
I'm not good at explaining things myself but, there are a few videos on Youtube talking about the Legends starters that explain the Typhlosion and shogunate connection. It might be unintentional but its there.
 

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I'm not good at explaining things myself but, there are a few videos on Youtube talking about the Legends starters that explain the Typhlosion and shogunate connection. It might be unintentional but its there.
I am aware of such videos but find them typically to be the work of fast-talking shysters.

For example...
Take this video, in it the gentleman attempts to forward his theory that Typhlosion represents the Shogun by claiming that "幕府" (Shogunate) and "爆風" (Blast - the root of Typhlosion's JPN name) are heteronyms of each other when they are in fact not. I try not to attribute malice when it could just be ignorance but my patience with people who take fan theories too seriously is wearing thin.
 

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When the starters were revealed part of me thought they were playing on typical RPG character tropes - Swordsman, Archer, Mage…until I realised that Delfox would have made a much better fire type to match that theory.

We know in the past GameFreak have made decisions about character inclusion by staff polls so it’s always possible that was how the Legends starters were chosen and any thematic links are just coincidental. It’s nice to think there’s a bigger story but unless an actual explanation is given it’s all just speculation.
 

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I am aware of such videos but find them typically to be the work of fast-talking shysters.

For example...

Take this video, in it the gentleman attempts to forward his theory that Typhlosion represents the Shogun by claiming that "幕府" (Shogunate) and "爆風" (Blast - the root of Typhlosion's JPN name) are heteronyms of each other when they are in fact not. I try not to attribute malice when it could just be ignorance but my patience with people who take fan theories too seriously is wearing thin.
Then simply accept that those starters were chosen for no reason and live in peace :)
 

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Something I'm curious about is how they handled Samurott new form. While Decidueye and Typhlosion are "natural" evolutions of the concept of their base forms, when Samurott was first leaked nobody thought it was real because the little otter had somehow become a sea lion.
Do you think this new form will give a more natural evolution to the Oshawott line or it will keep the sea lion concept once more? Also, what about the starters original themes? Will they be an archer, a samurai and a shogun again in these new forms?
 

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Something I'm curious about is how they handled Samurott new form. While Decidueye and Typhlosion are "natural" evolutions of the concept of their base forms, when Samurott was first leaked nobody thought it was real because the little otter had somehow become a sea lion.
Well, strictly speaking Cyndaquill goes from a porcupine to a badger so Rowlet is alone in that it stays within the species of owls (from Barn Owl to Pueo Owl).

As for your other point, I doubt they would change Oshawatt’s species via Regional form as I can’t think of any other R.Form doing that before.
 

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Well, strictly speaking Cyndaquill goes from a porcupine to a badger so Rowlet is alone in that it stays within the species of owls (from Barn Owl to Pueo Owl).

As for your other point, I doubt they would change Oshawatt’s species via Regional form as I can’t think of any other R.Form doing that before.
Yeah, but Typhlosion is basically a big and bipedal cyndaquil. Really subtle change compared to otter --> sea lion.
 

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The selection of starters seems a good deal too arbitrary for it to necessarily be a coincidence. I wouldn't stake money on it, but I'm definitely looking out for some kind of alternate form or other special gimmick relating to the Legends starters.
 

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i feel like this might be the next reveal?? Although i think it would be, similar to Sun and Moon, for now just a reveal of their 1st stage evolutions!
 

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i feel like this might be the next reveal?? Although i think it would be, similar to Sun and Moon, for now just a reveal of their 1st stage evolutions!
yeah, if they go for a pokeDirect in middle/late december (christmas??) that could be a "big reveal"/
 

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Its just a gut feeling and looking at the dates, it makes sense, because then there are 2 weeks apart every time, except in between December 22 and January 11, which is three weeks, but i have taken into account new years and christmas.
Let's hope...
 

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If we're getting regional forms, I'm hoping Hisuian Typhlosion isn't a bland piece of trash that abandons everything charming about its pre-evolutions while having no personality of its own like regular Typhlosion is.
 
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