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Worst Loss In The Pokemon Anime?

Ghost Diplocaulus

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I can see maybe the referees deciding to let it go since they didn't want to disqualify Ash when he kept going but yeah, it's a bit weird. I guess I didn't notice because the show and games are often pretty vague on the rules of battles, considering things like Blaine trying to kill his opponent twice in a row and I reall him saying Ash would be the one punished if he succeeded.

I actually tried a quick google search to find out if real like sporting events have rules for what happens if one person forfeits but couldn't find anything.
To be fair, the Blaine moment can be chalked up to early installment weirdness, since life endangerment (be it to the Pokemon or trainers themselves) is almost entirely absent from any battles that don't explicitly involve villains, and there's every indication that battles are meant to be friendly competitions, which would logically imply that life endangerment would result in at least an infraction. The only other time a Pokemon nearly died in a post-OS battle was Pikachu against that COTD's Raichu in DPP, and that was an unofficial battle, so we have no way of knowing what would have happened if it had occured in some sort of stadium.
 

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Ash vs Cameron will always be one of the worse losses in the series. But another one to consider would be during Ash's match against Hau even though he won the match and all. I'd say just by chance he had lost that'd have been a bad way to go losing because Rowlet fell asleep.
 

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Ash vs Tobias

The latter was created as an excuse to get to Black & White sooner, and they did so by giving him OP Legendary Pokemon, which you'd think would be against league regulations.
 

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I just started watching Sun & Moon for the first time the other day. I hated how Hala used Belly Drum and the Fighting Z-Move against Pikachu, only for Pikachu to somehow survive and then win with an unboosted, non-STAB Normal Z-Move. Any Pikachu would’ve been OHKO’d, and seeing Pikachu survive that was impossible to believe. That has to be Hala’s worst loss by far, especially since they could’ve showed Pikachu fainting and then Rowlet could’ve defeated Hariyana afterwards.
 

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I just started watching Sun & Moon for the first time the other day. I hated how Hala used Belly Drum and the Fighting Z-Move against Pikachu, only for Pikachu to somehow survive and then win with an unboosted, non-STAB Normal Z-Move. Any Pikachu would’ve been OHKO’d, and seeing Pikachu survive that was impossible to believe. That has to be Hala’s worst loss by far, especially since they could’ve showed Pikachu fainting and then Rowlet could’ve defeated Hariyana afterwards.
Any Pikachu sure ,but that's ash Pikachu. I swear if Pikachu lost, you would of seen people complaining saying they depowered him. Pikachu definitely should of won
 

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Any Pikachu sure ,but that's ash Pikachu. I swear if Pikachu lost, you would of seen people complaining saying they depowered him. Pikachu definitely should of won
They could have written a more convincing victory though. The trope of Ash's Pokemon tanking infinite damage and then making a miraculous comeback has become disgustingly overused in recent years, other notable examples being Ash vs Hau and nearly every Lucario battle.
 

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They could have written a more convincing victory though. The trope of Ash's Pokemon tanking infinite damage and then making a miraculous comeback has become disgustingly overused in recent years, other notable examples being Ash vs Hau and nearly every Lucario battle.
Definitely. But it also depends on the pokemon as well. Someone like Greninja or Charizard I can suspend my disbelief a bit. Someone like dracovish who had no training tanking hits is bull
 

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In any given competition, there's always gonna be a winner and a loser. Sometimes you might see scenarios where both parties end up in a draw, but in most cases, you'll have a winner and a loser. This topic is dedicated to those losses in the Pokemon anime. Not just any loss though. Its losses that truly frustrated you whether it felt wrong, forced, or just all around terrible to begin with. This doesn't just apply to Ash though. This is for all of his friends who have thrown themselves into any kind of competition. So what do you think? Which loss in the Pokemon anime bothered you the most?
Most frustrating - Trip's first match.. won with snivy lvl 5.. and he became the worst rival from nowhere. Made me mad.
 

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I just started watching Sun & Moon for the first time the other day. I hated how Hala used Belly Drum and the Fighting Z-Move against Pikachu, only for Pikachu to somehow survive and then win with an unboosted, non-STAB Normal Z-Move. Any Pikachu would’ve been OHKO’d, and seeing Pikachu survive that was impossible to believe. That has to be Hala’s worst loss by far, especially since they could’ve showed Pikachu fainting and then Rowlet could’ve defeated Hariyana afterwards.
I think it that case the reason Pikachu survived Hariyama's attack is because if you look closely you'll see that he actually managed to dodge most of it . That being said, it's pretty telling how Z-Moves tended to be a big double-edged sword in that Ash had some pretty noticeable Plot Armor when it came to using them and facing them: if Ash uses a Z-Move, he's almost guaranteed to win, but if his opponent uses a Z-Move against Ash, it'll almost always fail somehow.
 

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I think it that case the reason Pikachu survived Hariyama's attack is because if you look closely you'll see that he actually managed to dodge most of it . That being said, it's pretty telling how Z-Moves tended to be a big double-edged sword in that Ash had some pretty noticeable Plot Armor when it came to using them and facing them: if Ash uses a Z-Move, he's almost guaranteed to win, but if his opponent uses a Z-Move against Ash, it'll almost always fail somehow.
Interesting. I guess it’s something to keep a note on as I watch Sun & Moon, I’m up to episode 12 right now. Although, as someone who used to play Pokémon Showdown a lot, getting hit by a 6+ attack leaves a serious dent in any Pokémon no matter what, and my suspension of disbelief got completely removed by that. A 6+ All-Out Pummeling will leave all Pokémon at low red HP from full health at worst, and it’s just hard to ignore that, even considering that anime battles are rarely like game battles.
 
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