• The Anime and Manga staff has posted a PSA regarding Go and how we'll handle future cases involving him from now onwards.

    We strongly recommend checking out this thread.

    Thank you in advance.
  • All content from the former Roleplaying Games forum has been merged into the Writers' Workshop forum. You can find more information in this thread.

    We hope to see you roleplaying away soon!
  • The World Beyond Restructure is now finished! Check out the update here!
  • It's time for the Writer's Workshop Summer event: our second themed one-shot competition! Check out the sign-up thread here!
  • Hey everyone! Bulbagarden is hosting its first Bulbaleague Conference Pokemon Showdown Tournament! Check out this thread to get the full details!
  • Hey everyone! The Writer's Workshop is hosting an exciting event, Trainers of Fanfiction! It's a community event focused around your characters!

Review XY128: Decisive Rival Battle! Satoshi Gekkouga VS Mega Jukain!!

New Member
Joined
May 5, 2016
Messages
98
Reaction score
77
I doubt the Pokemon would be going that fast, while keeping up momentum for a somewhat lengthy period. Pikachu was moving insanely fast, but Aegislash wasn't. And if they really were going that fast, I call super-bullshit.

Even if Pikachu was tired, Sawyer's last Pokemon would have been (Mega) Sceptile, which is a terrible match-up. At least Pikachu still had speed, a super-effective attack, and long-range moves. Goodra should have been saved for Mega Sceptile - it packed Ice Beam and Dragon Pulse.
Actually, earlier in the series during clemonts gym battle, his heliolisk blitzed goodra so quickly that the rocks he lifted during his dash appeared near frozen prior to his attack, afterwhich hawlucha immediately blitzed heliolisk faster then it could react.

And they've only grown since then, so taking that scaling and the teams growth into consideration, no, its not bullshit.

Also sceptile had 2 super effective moves himself, and is very quick, the kind of opponent goodra doesn't do well against, he probably wouldnt even have been able to push him to mega evolve......
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 9, 2009
Messages
1,190
Reaction score
977
- Ash sending out Pikachu to fight Sceptile and using an Electric move on it fully aware that Sceptile can Mega Evolve and gain the Lightning Rod ability. Not quite sure what he was thinking there unless he somehow knew Sawyer wasn’t going to Mega Evolve yet.
Maybe he was going for the chance of paralysis before Jukain Mega Evolved.

Personally, I feel that while Satoshi vs Shinji is still the best overall battle, Gekkouga vs Jukain has to be the best individual battle this show has ever given us.
 
Pokémon: Gen 8.0 You Can (Not) Catch 'em All
Joined
Dec 30, 2010
Messages
6,843
Reaction score
2,156
Actually, earlier in the series during clemonts gym battle, his heliolisk blitzed goodra so quickly that the rocks he lifted during his dash appeared near frozen prior to his attack, afterwhich hawlucha immediately blitzed heliolisk faster then it could react.

And they've only grown since then, so taking that scaling and the teams growth into consideration, no, its not bullshit.

Also sceptile had 2 super effective moves himself, and is very quick, the kind of opponent goodra doesn't do well against, he probably wouldnt even have been able to push him to mega evolve......
I think I skipped the Gym match so I'll take your word for it. I STILL think it's bullshit made for the plot though - Aegislash was shown to be looking around and moving much, much slower than Pikachu - if Aegislash was moving at bullet time there, then Pikachu would be breaking the sound barrier there or some shit. I don't find the scene believable.

Not saying Goodra would have beat it or anything, but it would have been a much more logical choice than casting it out to a Fairy with no super effective moves. Goodra is also incredibly bulky, resists all of Sceptile's Grass moves, knows long-range moves, and Ice Beam is one of those moves that could be used to change the terrain or build walls and crap. There's plenty of creative opportunity for this match-up.
 
Active Member
Joined
Sep 23, 2015
Messages
558
Reaction score
620
- Ash sending out Pikachu to fight Sceptile and using an Electric move on it fully aware that Sceptile can Mega Evolve and gain the Lightning Rod ability. Not quite sure what he was thinking there unless he somehow knew Sawyer wasn’t going to Mega Evolve yet.
Ash only had Pikachu and Greninja left. Sending out Pikachu as an scout and dealing damage to Sceptile first was better than already sending out Greninja against a full health (Mega-)Sceptile, especially since Pikachu isn't weak to Grass. And why even bother sending Pikachu out after Sceptile defeating Greninja, if it's already mega evolved against Greninja anyway? It was both right on plot armor and competive thinking.
 
Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2014
Messages
29
Reaction score
41
Okay, so here's what I liked and didn't like about this episode:

Likes
- The animation looks so epic.
- Ash's strategy for Pikachu to prevent Aegislash from using its shield
- Pikachu plays a good role in the battle
- Noivern and Goodra managing to knock out Salamence and Slurpuff in a double KO.
- Ash-Greninja vs Mega Sceptile was incredibly awesome!
- Sawyer is actually showing tears in the heat of battle.

Dislikes
- Um... How could Pikachu make the logs conveniently float long enough for him to use Iron Tail on one?
- Lack of putting other certain moves to use between both trainers
- How odd it is to have a double knockout!
- Why did Slurpuff and Goodra just stand there spamming attacks with minimal body movement?

So all in all, this was a great episode and an awesome battle between these two rivals. I wonder why Squishy and Wobbuffet can't just make at least one appearance. Anyway, I'll give the episode an 8.7/10.
 
Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2016
Messages
149
Reaction score
138
Actually, earlier in the series during clemonts gym battle, his heliolisk blitzed goodra so quickly that the rocks he lifted during his dash appeared near frozen prior to his attack, afterwhich hawlucha immediately blitzed heliolisk faster then it could react.

And they've only grown since then, so taking that scaling and the teams growth into consideration, no, its not bullshit.

Also sceptile had 2 super effective moves himself, and is very quick, the kind of opponent goodra doesn't do well against, he probably wouldnt even have been able to push him to mega evolve......
I think I skipped the Gym match so I'll take your word for it. I STILL think it's bullshit made for the plot though - Aegislash was shown to be looking around and moving much, much slower than Pikachu - if Aegislash was moving at bullet time there, then Pikachu would be breaking the sound barrier there or some shit. I don't find the scene believable.

Not saying Goodra would have beat it or anything, but it would have been a much more logical choice than casting it out to a Fairy with no super effective moves. Goodra is also incredibly bulky, resists all of Sceptile's Grass moves, knows long-range moves, and Ice Beam is one of those moves that could be used to change the terrain or build walls and crap. There's plenty of creative opportunity for this match-up.
Karamazov has it right. Based on the pokemon's speed relative to each other and noting how much time it took, there's just no way. Also, The way Pikachu was jumping on the logs...The logs would have to be much heavier than Pikachu to give him that much momentum. realistically the logs would have simply been shot away from Pikachu, with Pikachu gaining limited movement forward. But they never pay attention to physics in animation, this has been established since cartoon characters had the ability to pull hammers out of thin air. I have a feeling all the kids watching this just think, WOW that's so cool! While those who understand these things are like, "uh uh, I don't think so."
 
Pokémon: Gen 8.0 You Can (Not) Catch 'em All
Joined
Dec 30, 2010
Messages
6,843
Reaction score
2,156
Shit. Now that you mention it, you're right about the logs. And now it's gonna bug me any time I rewatch this ep.
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
2,560
Reaction score
781
If nothing else, I will say that this whole battle made up for the so-so beginning of the league, IMO. I was very impressed with Ash's tactic to defeat Aegislash, despite the... crazy unrealistic physics, but I can look past that. I also do wish Goodra had gotten a win, though, instead of a double knockout.

But all in all, an excellent two-part league battle. Hope the next one's just as good or better - and that Ash wins.
 
New Member
Joined
May 5, 2016
Messages
98
Reaction score
77
Karamazov has it right. Based on the pokemon's speed relative to each other and noting how much time it took, there's just no way. Also, The way Pikachu was jumping on the logs...The logs would have to be much heavier than Pikachu to give him that much momentum. realistically the logs would have simply been shot away from Pikachu, with Pikachu gaining limited movement forward. But they never pay attention to physics in animation, this has been established since cartoon characters had the ability to pull hammers out of thin air. I have a feeling all the kids watching this just think, WOW that's so cool! While those who understand these things are like, "uh uh, I don't think so."
Physics aside, the authors intent is clear, its like one of the greatest speed feats in Samurai Jack, when he defeated a handful of mercenary's before a water droplet hit the ground. The physics are wonky, but the intent is clear.
 
Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2016
Messages
149
Reaction score
138
Physics aside, the authors intent is clear, its like one of the greatest speed feats in Samurai Jack, when he defeated a handful of mercenary's before a water droplet hit the ground. The physics are wonky, but the intent is clear.
Yeah, which is why it didn't keep me from absolutely loving the episode.
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2014
Messages
1,674
Reaction score
1,245
This was actually a pretty decent wrap up! Pikachu got a pretty decent role here, though it could have done without two double KO's. The Ash-Greninja battle with Mega Sceptile was pretty nice also and also, it looks like its 100% confirmed now that Ash-Greninja is saving the giant fiery disc of death for that ungodly op Mega Charizard X!

Edit: I love the difference with Ash and Alain here in the semi-finals. Alain gets all cocky and walks away. Ash goes to chat and shake hands with Sawyer. Ash always being the good guy.

Pretty good episode. Best so far of the league.
Gaint firey disk of death?

Anyway proud of ash for Fi ally making it to the finals but I still have my doubts on him winning. I haven't watched lague episodes in years if ash does win would he go against the elite four?
 
Hear me roar!
Joined
Jul 16, 2010
Messages
6,256
Reaction score
5,829
Gaint firey disk of death?

Anyway proud of ash for Fi ally making it to the finals but I still have my doubts on him winning. I haven't watched lague episodes in years if ash does win would he go against the elite four?
The giant fiery disc of death refers to an unknown attack that Ash-Greninja is shown using in a battle, now confirmed to be against Alain. This was shown in an official highlight video released for Greninja.
 
Active Member
Joined
Oct 30, 2013
Messages
901
Reaction score
351
I can't say anymore than what was already said here. It's an overall well done episode. I hope to see something like this, if not possibly better, in the final.
 
21 years...... Still here!
Joined
Jan 29, 2016
Messages
5,350
Reaction score
2,500
This episode was fucking perfect! This is how I want my league to be like and the fact that TR actually said Ash might win BOY!
 
Top