• Please check out our recent thread on handling different opinions and toxic behavior here.
  • If you are finding yourself unable to log in, you should be able to fix the issue by following the following process.
    1. Close all browser tabs with any part of Bulbagarden open.
    2. Delete all Bulbagarden.net cookies (and if possible, any cached site data for Bulbagarden) from your browser.
    3. Close and reopen your browser, open a new tab, and log into the forums on the new tab.
    If you've followed this process and are still having issues, please contact us via the "Contact us" link at the bottom of the forum.
  • Please remember to keep spoilers about the new Pokemon games in their respective sections here and here.

Your controversial opinions

Huggable Alolan Raichu
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Messages
19,879
Reaction score
42,318
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him
Pikachu is a good design, but it does NOT deserve to be the mascot. This may not be controversial.
It deserves to be one, because it's gender-neutral, fitting for both girls and boys.
 
Son of Aphrodite(?)
Joined
Oct 29, 2017
Messages
4,268
Reaction score
4,297
Except that the mascot Pikachu is almost always a male one.
 
Huggable Alolan Raichu
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Messages
19,879
Reaction score
42,318
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him
Except that the mascot Pikachu is almost always a male one.
Because it's more recognizable. Not everyone knows about Pokémon gender differences. The male design is the one that's always been used and is more commonly known.
 
Super Moderator
Joined
Jun 30, 2020
Messages
639
Reaction score
889
I was similarly never enthralled by Pikachu, but if there's one thing we've learned about the recent popularity polling it's that Japanese audiences really like the twee, cutsey species.
 
Son of Aphrodite(?)
Joined
Oct 29, 2017
Messages
4,268
Reaction score
4,297
I actually like Pikachu. I mean, I wouldn't put it on my team but I like it.
 
A Solidly Ossified Braincase
Joined
Oct 18, 2012
Messages
7,637
Reaction score
20,387
Because it's more recognizable. Not everyone knows about Pokémon gender differences. The male design is the one that's always been used and is more commonly known.
Plus, the female variant didn't even exist until Gen 4, an entire decade into the series's life.

(Indeed, for this very reason I feel like it was kind of a mistake to give Pikachu a gender difference.)
 
Last edited:
Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
685
Reaction score
2,716
Preferred Pronouns
she/her
(Indeed, for this very reason I feel like it was kind of a mistake to give Pikachu a gender difference.)
I feel the exact same way about Eevee getting one as well, especially since that one came about over twenty years into the franchise's life. I would have much rather the heart-shaped tail markings for female Eevee remained exclusively a Let's Go thing.
 
Piplup my beloved
Joined
Dec 18, 2020
Messages
710
Reaction score
2,022
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him
I didn't cared one bit for the Battle Frontier being gone in ORAS. The Delta Episode was an way better postgame. I get that some people did liked it very much, and I do get why people were upset for it to being gone, but in all honesty, it not being there doesn't makes the game bad in the slightest.
 
Call of Fate
Joined
Feb 26, 2015
Messages
820
Reaction score
417
Karen's quote is horrendously overrated.
The Eviolite should have never been created, as the whole point of evolving is getting stronger, not getting outclassed by pre-evolved forms.
 
Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2013
Messages
1,777
Reaction score
546
Karen's quote is horrendously overrated.
A portion of Karen's quote is also arguably wrong. Some pokemon are just flat out objectively better than others, with either better stats, typing, abilities, or all of the above. So there's no "selfish perception" when you look at which pokemon is strong and which is weak.
 
Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
685
Reaction score
2,716
Preferred Pronouns
she/her
The Eviolite should have never been created, as the whole point of evolving is getting stronger, not getting outclassed by pre-evolved forms.
The number of pre-evolutions that are truly made better then their evolutions by Eviolite's sole existence is ridiculously tiny, though. Literally the only ones I can think of are Chansey and Dusclops. Everything else is still always worse than its evolved form even with the Eviolite.
 
I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle
Joined
Sep 27, 2007
Messages
2,320
Reaction score
6,128
I don't Karen is saying there aren't strong and weak Pokémon--she's saying if you're really good you can win with "weak" ones. Which is true in the main game where you see single Pokémon challenges or Magikarp runs and so on. Perhaps less so in multiplayer.
 
Now with Mega Evolution
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
6,703
Reaction score
8,098
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him/His
The number of pre-evolutions that are truly made better then their evolutions by Eviolite's sole existence is ridiculously tiny, though. Literally the only ones I can think of are Chansey and Dusclops. Everything else is still always worse than its evolved form even with the Eviolite.
Galarian Corsola is famously much better than Cursola. Galarian Mr. Mime arguably is better than Mr. Rime in a lot of cases, too. But I agree with what you’re saying.

I actually hate Eviolite’s existence for a different reason: it makes it a lot less likely that certain Pokémon will ever receive an evolution. Like, Skarmory or Shuckle would become rather broken if they could suddenly use Eviolite. I kind of wish the item only worked on Pokémon who were never considered fully evolved but I doubt that would ever be implemented.
 
Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
685
Reaction score
2,716
Preferred Pronouns
she/her
Galarian Corsola is famously much better than Cursola. Galarian Mr. Mime arguably is better than Mr. Rime in a lot of cases, too. But I agree with what you’re saying.
lol, I can't believe I actually forgot about Galarian Corsola XD

Still, that's only a total of four pre-evolved Pokemon out of a pool of literally hundreds, so it still feels weird to complain about Eviolite making Pokemon better than their evolved forms when in practice that hardly ever happens.

That said, it's true that Eviolite's existence has had an impact on the way evolution is handled in recent games: lines with three stages have become extremely rare outside of starters and pseudo-legendaries for example, and there tend to be a huge gap in BST between evolution stages too, regardless of if a middle one exists or not.
 
Last edited:
Now with Mega Evolution
Joined
Jun 28, 2013
Messages
6,703
Reaction score
8,098
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him/His
lol, I can't believe I actually forgot about Galarian Corsola XD

Still, that's only a total of four pre-evolved Pokemon out of a pool of literally hundreds, so it still feels weird to complain about Eviolite making Pokemon better than their evolved forms when in practice that hardly ever happens.

That said, it's true that Eviolite's existence has had an impact on the way evolution is handled in recent games: lines with three stages have become extremely rare outside of starters and pseudo-legendaries for example, and there tend to be a huge gap in BST between evolution stages too, regardless of if a middle one exists or not.
Exactly. I mean, they cut plenty of Pokémon and moves, couldn’t they have just trashed Eviolite while they were at it? :p
 
I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle
Joined
Sep 27, 2007
Messages
2,320
Reaction score
6,128
At one point I had wondered if Eviolite could be re-purposed to give a Pokémon their evolved forms stats (but not Ability, Typing, or moves) as a way to make it situationally interesting but also get around the issues with it making some Pokémon better than their evolved form and letting them give evolutions to some extra lines who could use just a small boost.

Then I remembered Slaking exists.
 
Detroit SMAAAASH! Eevee style.
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Messages
685
Reaction score
2,716
Preferred Pronouns
she/her
Exactly. I mean, they cut plenty of Pokémon and moves, couldn’t they have just trashed Eviolite while they were at it? :p
I'm still really salty that they got rid of so many good coverage moves like Jump Kick and Signal Beam but Attract, which is literally the most useless status effect in the games and one that's full of unfortunate implications on top of it, was allowed to stay.
 
Piplup my beloved
Joined
Dec 18, 2020
Messages
710
Reaction score
2,022
Preferred Pronouns
He/Him
lol, I can't believe I actually forgot about Galarian Corsola XD

Still, that's only a total of four pre-evolved Pokemon out of a pool of literally hundreds, so it still feels weird to complain about Eviolite making Pokemon better than their evolved forms when in practice that hardly ever happens.

That said, it's true that Eviolite's existence has had an impact on the way evolution is handled in recent games: lines with three stages have become extremely rare outside of starters and pseudo-legendaries for example, and there tend to be a huge gap in BST between evolution stages too, regardless of if a middle one exists or not.
I would also argue that the addition of Eviolite was a huge factor in what made Spritzee an Little Cup Uber tho.

I would want an version of Eviolite that actually boosted the non-evolved Pokémon Attack and Special Attack stats tho. It could be interesting.
 
Top