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That's why I said it was controversial in my original post. I was just pointing out the reason why people like the fact that he took charge because it makes sense in universe for the most powerful trainer around to try to deal with stuff especially with many generations having the champion be on...

Yes it make sense for him to have starter as an ace, but I imagine the reception would've been better had it not been Charizard. A Galarian starter would've been best (I think most people tend to like seeing aces of champions be native to the region) but if they had to do Kanto I think Venusaur...

Him having a charizard certainly doesn't help matters (his ace should've definitely been Dragapult, give us G-max dragapult Gamefreak!). But yeah he was getting called a Mary Sue in this thread (among other threads on other websites) hence why there was a lot of defense of him in other posts. A...

The thing is Leon gets a ton of hate and is considered a Mary Sue/Gary Stu even though like you said he isn't. In fact him and Kukui are the other two champions that have been really thrown around here in this thread as potential Sues and it's for a similar reason as Cynthia. They are both men...

I'll say this, the main reasons people give for Leon's stueness are actually justifiable in the context of his game. Like everyone fawning over him is to be expected in a region that makes the gym challenge such a huge deal and the challengers/leader/champions are all treated as celebrities and...

I personally wouldn't call Cynthia or Lillie Mary Sues. Overrated IMO, definitely but they aren't Mary Sues. Neither one warp the narrative in an unrealistic way IMO. This. Anybody who watches sports knows that certain stars are going to get hyped to death because of their prowess. That's...