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Mate, you're taking being a cat-person to an extreme.I don't care if Mooland dies personally.
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Mate, you're taking being a cat-person to an extreme.I don't care if Mooland dies personally.
Mate, you're taking being a cat-person to an extreme.
I'm not, because the longer it takes Litten to be caught the longer it will take for Litten to develop under Ash.But I'm enjoying the storyline so far and don't want it to end yet.
I'm not, because the longer it takes Litten to be caught the longer it will take for Litten to develop under Ash.
What's the point of basically developing the backstory of a character, like a Pokemon when it will be far more important to develop under its trainer, sure, the backstory will affect the relationship between trainer and Pokemon, but right now there's a severe imbalance that will take an incredibly long time to balance out, especially with the speculation Ash wouldn't catch Litten until a Torracat....as in completely screwing over Litten as a starter and as a Pokemon, by treating it as just another random Pokemon, and NOT as a starter Pokemon, though I guess to be fair Rowlet nor Popplio really have been treated as a starter Pokemon really, but Ash did catch Rowlet first, and Popplio is currently Lana's only Pokemon. I definitely do not want a Chimchar situation or a Krokorok situation for Litten, taking a year or more to capture.
If Litten is not caught, especially as a result of this one hour special, it'll be an utter waste of time, I'd much rather a fun episode involving ALL the characters just having fun, and maybe a nice battle between Ash and Character B, over a non important episode (in regards to the one hour special) involving a potential Pokemon dying, when it would've made FAR more sense to wait until the 22nd episode for an episode like this if it was simply just development yet not technically important at least not until Litten would BE caught.
Hell the Tapu Koko episode would've made more sense as the 21st episode rather 19th, while this episode could've been 19th if there wasn't going to be a capture. Would MUCH rather look forward to the Tapu Koko episode than an episode involving a Pokemon dying, and only serving as "wasted" development for a one hour special especially if there will be a pretty major disconnect between episode 20 and the rest of the episodes (AKA relevant only because it serves as 20th anniversary of the anime rather than relevant to the sun and moon series).
I see where you're coming from, but I'm leaning a bit more towards to what Dman Dustin said, because while development is always good, I'd much rather have the development under Ash then by itself. We will now have three episodes focusing on Litten, so if Ash catches it here, then I think it developing Ash would be nice to see, because being with a Trainer and getting to know and really care for a Trainer is a good way for development. Because their personalities can bounce of eachother and it's pretty clear that Ash and Litten pretty different. But if we can get the same amount of character development with it being by itself for a while, then I guess that will be okay, but until then, I believe a Pokemon needs a Trainer to truly develop. Although, despite all this, this episode is probably about Ash and Litten helping Stoutland and if Stoutland dies, then what will Litten do? Be by itself from now on, if it does, I couldn't see that being a plot point for long, so if it is by itself, then I think it will be caught in the episode it's by itself, or in the next episode it's featured in. Either that, or it becomes a lone stray for the rest of the series, but I think it will eventually be caught by somone.Okay, what!?
The one thing that makes a show, any show, good is the character development. You can't have an interesting episode and make a character do something if they don't have any personality traits.
Litten will do just fine if the capture is delayed. It's already a capable Pokemon and its story arc gives A LOT to this show. It's one of my personal Top 3 reasons to follow the show right now. And I rather they make this arc as long as possible without stretching it to the extremes, because it is good for both Litten's growth and Ash's.
What you call 'waste of episode' is actually what makes the whole series when you look back. And I rather watch Pokemon that have been fleshed out throughout the show instead of having developed a personality overnight.
What's the point of basically developing the backstory of a character, like a Pokemon when it will be far more important to develop under its trainer, sure, the backstory will affect the relationship between trainer and Pokemon, but right now there's a severe imbalance that will take an incredibly long time to balance out, especially with the speculation Ash wouldn't catch Litten until a Torracat....as in completely screwing over Litten as a starter and as a Pokemon, by treating it as just another random Pokemon, and NOT as a starter Pokemon, though I guess to be fair Rowlet nor Popplio really have been treated as a starter Pokemon really, but Ash did catch Rowlet first, and Popplio is currently Lana's only Pokemon. I definitely do not want a Chimchar situation or a Krokorok situation for Litten, taking a year or more to capture.
That's not my point, a Pokemon should not be defined by its past, the importance of a Pokemon is the relationship it has with its trainer, which mostly (read again mostly not completely) is related to it being caught. Chimchar had an interesting backstory, but it didn't go anywhere UNTIL Ash caught it. Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape were not defined by their past with Paul but its relationship with Ash starting when Ash caught it. The problem however is how long it took, which I definitely don't want for Litten as it has no reason to take AS long as ChimcharThe one thing that makes a show, any show, good is the character development. You can't have an interesting episode and make a character do something if they don't have any personality traits.
You're missing my point. This is a waste as it pertains to the one hour 20th anniversary special. Like I said, I'd rather look forward to Tapu Koko than a Pokemon dying and NOTHING happens as a result except more waiting..What you call 'waste of episode' is actually what makes the whole series when you look back. And I rather watch Pokemon that have been fleshed out throughout the show instead of having developed a personality overnight.
It's not developing under Ash which will ultimately be better. Right now Litten is only being defined by its likely failing relationship (continuing) with Stoutland (AKA likely dead), which really does nothing for Litten and Ash outside of ultimately how Ash ends up with Litten but it does nothing to define their future bond it'll only guide it.Different strokes for different blokes I guess. Nyabby so far has had good screentime, the best story outside of any other Pokémon so far (save maybe Koko), is in the opening, etc. I don't personally see how giving a starter a meaningful, somewhat-unique plot is screwing it but that's just my opinion.
It's not developing under Ash which will ultimately be better. Right now Litten is only being defined by its likely failing relationship (continuing) with Stoutland (AKA likely dead), which really does nothing for Litten and Ash outside of ultimately how Ash ends up with Litten but it does nothing to define their future bond it'll only guide it.
Just like Ash and Infernape, Paul didn't define Infernape, but it was how Ash and Infernape came together, but everything that Ash and Infernape did together as an accomplishment was because of their trainer and Pokemon relationship, not Infernape's past, well I guess outside of Blaze, but it was Ash and Infernape that came out on top, again not being defined by its past with Paul.
Why do I have a feeling that development will only be interesting to you if a 'mon is caught as soon as possible. Did you prefer the capture of Oshawott, for instance?That's not my point, a Pokemon should not be defined by its past, the importance of a Pokemon is the relationship it has with its trainer, which mostly (read again mostly not completely) is related to it being caught. Chimchar had an interesting backstory, but it didn't go anywhere UNTIL Ash caught it. Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape were not defined by their past with Paul but its relationship with Ash starting when Ash caught it. The problem however is how long it took, which I definitely don't want for Litten as it has no reason to take AS long as Chimchar
Litten's relationship will most likely not be only defined by Stoutland once it evolves. Litten will be around for like 90+ episodes after it's capture, so does it matter if only a measly 3-4 episodes are given for Stoutland development? Since after Litten's capture, it's development will be with Ash. [/QUOTE]What I'm saying is I don't want Litten to solely be defined by Stoutland, but by its relationship with Ash.
You're acting as if Tapu koko drama will end with this episode. This would be a simple battle (I guess?) and I'll bet that this won't wrap up Tapu Koko, so it should be equally worthless to you, unless you're one of those people who need nothing but battles.You're missing my point. This is a waste as it pertains to the one hour 20th anniversary special. Like I said, I'd rather look forward to Tapu Koko than a Pokemon dying and NOTHING happens as a result except more waiting..
We would want such an episode for character development. Simple answer. We'd like to see Litten's reaction to the situation.I don't know why people are so desperately wanting a completely tearjerker episode to follow the Ash and Pikachu episode, as of the one hour special. Why would you want an episode where a Pokemon will likely die, and nothing will come out of it outside of creating unnecessary drama between Litten and Ash (the speculation Litten will blame Ash or wants nothing to do with Ash), or just simply running away until the next episode.
This 'celebration' of the 20th anniversary would pay off when Incineroar becomes Ash's best Pokemon of Alola.So what we're left with is a dead Pokemon, a broken Litten, a confused Ash and that's how all of you want the 20th anniversary of the anime to be celebrate?
Captures are not everything.At least a capture would at least be worth it to having seen an episode about a Pokemon dying and the consequences that follow. At least something "beneficial" would come from a completely morbid sad story.
At the end of episode will leave us with a cliffhanger, which would be even more hated.I also suppose if Stoutland dies at the very end of the episode, then that would also be fine, but three quarters of the way through, then no.
I don't care if Mooland dies personally.
Infernape WAS defined by its past with Paul, though. If not for Paul's crappy treatment of it there wouldn't have been a story to begin with, and the ultimate conclusion of that story was Infernape - and by extension, Ash - proving Paul wrong. Take that away and the arc isn't nearly as good.
This arc with Stoutland is good because when the time comes for Litten to join Ash it has a meaningful history that can play into future development. As a character I'm far more invested in Litten, because it has its own story exclusive of Ash, and I want to know what happens next. If Stoutland dies, how does Ash play a part? Then the story continues from there.
They don't have to rush its development or capture. Nor do I quite understand the idea a Pokemon needs to be caught or with a trainer for its development to be relevant. Ash can't do much more with the situation as it is. It's a crucial part of his character to respect the wishes of the Pokemon he meets and owns, and as far as he's concerned Litten's situation isn't bad enough that he needs to intervene.
You're just a bright ray of sunshine aren't you?
So what you're saying was that Ash and Infernape's accomplishments had absolutely nothing to do with Infernape's relationship and bond with Ash, but ONLY because of Paul.
So basically...Paul trained it, Ash just used it?
You also seem to be under the wrong assumption that I had a problem with it. Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape was nothing before it was with Ash, it was just one of Paul's Pokemon. It was only because it was with Ash did it as a character have any meaning.
Stoutland dying doesn't have any meaning, Incineroar isn't going to remember Stoutland dying in its major future battle and somehow come in top, its going to be because the relationship it has with Ash.
I think you should have your italics removed for such blasphemy.Maybe not Pikachu.
We'll have to wait and see, but no one should get their hopes up. Remember what happened with the Kalos League (and Amourshipping)...
LOL at the people who think a Pokemon will actually die on this show.
Yes, it would be a good development for Litten. Yes, it would a good reason for it to go with Ash. Yes, the Show is just a teeny bit bolder than it used to be.
...but none of that matters because death was ruled out a LONG time ago. And before anyone brings up Lysandre and/or Hunter J & crew, their fates were left open and ambiguous, which is loophole for them to dance around (as annoying it is).
Mind you, it could still happen, but knowing this show Stoutland will get a new home and Litten will join Ash out of gratitude or something like that.
We'll have to wait and see, but no one should get their hopes up. Remember what happened with the Kalos League (and Amourshipping)...