So Now What?

[ShowCreator]

LOL, blame everything on Bush. I'll bet Bush actually created Hurricane Katrina and strategicly aimed it at New Orleans, right? Ok, comeon Al, you cant go blaming everything that goes wrong in your life on Bush. Plus, if the economy were so bad, people wouldnt be able to spend all the money they do. Its not like they are just buying one thing to take their depression away, as you say, but they continue to buy over and over again and they still got lots of money left. If the economy was as bad as the democrats would like us to believe, trust me, people wouldnt be spending as much as they are, unexployment would be higer, and prices would be lower.

 

[The Big Al]

LOL, blame everything on Bush. I'll bet Bush actually created Hurricane Katrina and strategicly aimed it at New Orleans, right?

You insult my meteology intellegence with that remark. Though, how bad the aftermath got IS the fault of Bush and his administration.

Ok, comeon Al, you cant go blaming everything that goes wrong in your life on Bush.

He's President for the United States of America and until this month had a rubber stamp congress. And I'm not saying everything is his fault. However he could have done some good for the country but instead caused ill.

Plus, if the economy were so bad, people wouldnt be able to spend all the money they do.

Would you shut the fuck up about the same talking point. You're as annoying as Pokemontrainerlisa and she's pretty damn annoying. Spending, spending, spending, it doesn't mean anything. It's easy to spend money, the problem is making it.

Its not like they are just buying one thing to take their depression away, as you say, but they continue to buy over and over again and they still got lots of money left.

Then why are they up to their armpits in debt?

If the economy was as bad as the democrats would like us to believe, trust me, people wouldnt be spending as much as they are, unexployment would be higer, and prices would be lower.

All things being equal, I would agree. However, things are not equal.

And Mozz, the numbers don't lie. The economy is getting worse for the "bottom 90%". While not evident now, it will eventually reach everyone.

 

[ShowCreator]

You say he caused ill, and I see no proof of that. All I see is your words, and what you think he did. Oh well, Bush is gonna be done in 2 years and than the democrats basicly stand for nothing, as just about every add they ran this year bashed Bush. Its going to be kinda hard, if a governer gets the Republican nomination(Romney, Juliani Sp?) to use Bush to attack them. I predict that the ticked for 08 is going to be Romney vs. Biden. What are the Democrats even going to stand for than? Sure they can attack Republicans all they want, but they are going to have to provide some good things bout themselves if they want to win votes. So far, all I have heard from Democrats is how bad the Republicans are, and nothing about how they will be any better.

 

[The Big Al]

You say he caused ill, and I see no proof of that. All I see is your words, and what you think he did.

He lied to everyone from the congress down to get us into Iraq and now refuses to do anything to move that war to a conclusion. He wouldn't even allow for spending on better armor or medical treatment for our soldiers.

He cuts the taxes of the rich (and gave some table scraps to the rest of us) and has since been driving our debt to crippling proportions.

He and his congress created tax loopholes through which corporation have moved their business overseas, laying off their workers to fend for themselves.

He makes bankruptacy more likely for most Americans and then turns it into a living Hell except for the super wealthy.

I can go on and on and on about all the bullshit that has come out of Washington these past three years. And he HAS done them. Anyone not living under a rock (or only watches fox) knows this. It's just some people (like Mozz) are making a killing off people's suffering and think that's just dandy. I wonder he would like Bush if he was forced to pedal the 21st century version of snake oil to make ends meet.

Oh well, Bush is gonna be done in 2 years and than the democrats basicly stand for nothing, as just about every add they ran this year bashed Bush.

It's called an open target and your policy doesn't mean a thing when you're the minority. Of course they're going to go after Bush. When you have a President as low in the numbers as Bush you're stupid not to. DeVos lost badly here in Michigan because he's the president of Amway and Michiganders hate Amway so Granholm tied around his neck. You attack your opponents weak points.

Its going to be kinda hard, if a governer gets the Republican nomination(Romney, Juliani Sp?)

I believe it's spelled with a "G" and he wouldn't win a state outside of New York because he's considered a communist in comparison to the other Republicans. He was a figurehead for the war on terror, now that that has also fallen out of favor, so will he.

to use Bush to attack them.

If Bush acts like an SOB the next two years, it's almost a certainity.

I predict that the ticked for 08 is going to be Romney vs. Biden.

I personally see Obama or Edwards, they're popular, young, and ciphers.

What are the Democrats even going to stand for than? Sure they can attack Republicans all they want, but they are going to have to provide some good things bout themselves if they want to win votes.

I think the issues likely to come up in the 100 hour plan of Pelosi will ring in people's ears, especially if Bush vetoes them.

So far, all I have heard from Democrats is how bad the Republicans are, and nothing about how they will be any better.

They've been out of power for six years, they can't exactly hang your hat on much. Now they get to prove they are better and I think they'll follow through.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

It should have never ended. A country cannot remain an economic power without heavy industry, or some form of production to justify its position as such. While a survice sector economy look great on paper it can never fly. It turns your country into a third world mess, dependant on other nations for your needs. Is that honestly what you want America turn into? Just because it's cheaper to have Chinese working at what amounts to gunpoint?

We do have industry in America. The thing is that foreign car companies are the ones succeding in America. High-tech industry is also thriving. Only in the Rust Belt are things going as bad as you seem.

It's unamerican. It's unamerican to pull jobs out from under American workers whose only crime is that they want a living wage and a piece of the American dream. It's unamerican to take America and drive it so far this far into debt. It's unamerican to tell Americans they should work for less and then at the same time raise the cost of living by driving up interest rates.

Again, there's a difference between wanting needed benefits and asking for unrealistic benefits. As for debt, the proposals the new group of Democrats will propose will require increases in taxes or even more debt.

And it seems like you'd be just fine with the free silver-ists who wanted to ramp up inflation to give people more money, even if it was worth less.

And you always go back to the unions. Look at the union benefits and then look at the corporate bonuses. The does the boss really need a 100ft yatch instead of paying for flu shots for his workers and their families. The unions want practical benefits that improve productivity of both them and their families. It's corporate greed that's driving up the prices, not the unions.

And I'm going to bring up the Scandinavian countries. They have single payer health care, strong worker protections and benefits, and all these things you claim destroy economies. Well guess what, they are the richest countries per person and have the happiest people according almost every international survey. I'm a scandinavian Democrat, I believe what worked for them would work for America. I believe we should be a country working towards the improvement of the whole and not individuals (though the individual still sees the improvement). That's my stance. Call me a socialist if you wish, one was elected to the Senate on the 7th.

Scandinavian countries are hardly great examples of model economies. They may seem like wealthy nations, but that's because the government taxes the hell out of successful business and invididuals. Although the governments subsidize everything, giving people more spending freedom, they punish monetary success with crippling taxes and government restrictions. Right now they may be wealthy, but they're the ultimate result of your beliefs. As China and India continue to develop, manufacturing companies will have absolutely no reason to operate in those nations. The socialist model will only work for a few decades, but eventually someone has to pay the price for all the free programs.

And yes, you are a socialist. It's too bad you've let your pesonal emotions cloud your views, but unfortunately you've let emotions make you a Red.

I personally see Obama or Edwards, they're popular, young, and ciphers.

I don't know what you mean by a cipher, but Obama is basically an empty liberal suit and Edwards is a trial lawyer who would prove very unpopular. Obama is just a good media man who hasn't done much so far.

And it's doubtful that anything meaningful will come out of the 100 hour plan. Besides the fact that we are not going to get prescription drug coverage in a few days, most of the more radical plans won't fly. The fact that Bush vetoes them is pretty irrelevant since he's going to be out in 2 years.

 

[The Big Al]

You're the red.

Political color schemes aside you forget the government can provide services cheaper than the individual or business. Sure you're being taxed but it's paying for things you'd be paying for anyway.

And they've created a positive feed back loop. With a wealthy general population the businesses and upper class are making more money and their taxes go to keep the rest of the population wealthy and the money flowing. That's rule one in economics (at least in the class I took) keep the money flowing, the more hands it touches the better.

 

[The Dude]

Wages do seem to be going down dramatically.
And long term savings has plummeted. People aren't saving money much any more.
Making it more difficult to declare bankruptcy really only helps creditors, but that's exactly what Bush&co. did. And they have done nothing to curb the debt infrastructure encroaching on America. History has shown that when finance becomes the mainstay of a country, that country is soon going to lose its power.

And it's doubtful that anything meaningful will come out of the 100 hour plan. Besides the fact that we are not going to get prescription drug coverage in a few days, most of the more radical plans won't fly. The fact that Bush vetoes them is pretty irrelevant since he's going to be out in 2 years.

Lowering student loan interest rates is very meaningful to me, as a junior in high school.
The Democrats' should increase taxes on wealthy people and corporations, and lower them for middle-class and lower class people. That seems to be what they are promising.
In good news for transparency, House hearings will be opened to the media.
Or something like that.
Edwards is charasmatic. I don't see Obama running, actually.
Hilary Clinton should crawl into a hole and die. Why people are talking up her for president, I'll never know.
McCain still has a great shot.

I predict that the ticked for 08 is going to be Romney vs. Biden

No, both of them are relatively obscure in comparison to other viable candidates. Please explain why two candidates with limited recognition would have a shot in a million. McCain is, and will continue to be for quite a while, the clear frontrunner.

So far, all I have heard from Democrats is how bad the Republicans are, and nothing about how they will be any better.

Perhaps less corruption, and more transparency?
Scratch that, Pelosi has appointed Alcee Hastings to chair a committee. x.x
STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID!
And what, in turn, can Republicans offer Americans?
They're going to have to provide something good about themselves if they want to win votes.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

You're the red.

Political color schemes aside you forget the government can provide services cheaper than the individual or business. Sure you're being taxed but it's paying for things you'd be paying for anyway.

Yes, but it's still the idea that the government is taking half your check away. It's just that intangible feeling of paying for something yourself with your own hard earned money rather than having your check cut in half by the government and getting something handed to you in return. Besides, it's undeniable that high taxes penalize businesses.

And they've created a positive feed back loop. With a wealthy general population the businesses and upper class are making more money and their taxes go to keep the rest of the population wealthy and the money flowing. That's rule one in economics (at least in the class I took) keep the money flowing, the more hands it touches the better.

You're missing the point that heavy industry will eventualy avoid Scandinavia more than the US. As more and more developing nations become attractive to companies, they'll move out of a restrictive, heavily-unionized, taxing nation and into a looser one.

 

[Mozz]

Yeah, that's probably for the best. ^_^

 

[The Big Al]

Oy vey, companies shouldn't have to pay benefits to union workers and companies shouldn't to pay taxes for the government to provide these benefits. Now you're being unreasonable.

You're missing the point that heavy industry will eventualy avoid Scandinavia more than the US. As more and more developing nations become attractive to companies, they'll move out of a restrictive, heavily-unionized, taxing nation and into a looser one.

Why? They aren't hurting in scandinavia and unless they're greedy pricks they won't kill the goose that lays the golden egg like American business.

 

[ShowCreator]

Al, I dont see McCain getting it. It will be Mitt Romney vs. Joe Biden, or possibly Julianni.Sorry, Dont know how to spell his last name)

Actually, it is way too early to say who will win. Dean was a frontrunner for the longest time for the 04 election. Yet, he got smashed. Mitt Romney has the best chance because he is the most conservative of the 3 frontrunners. The Republican party is a party of conservatives. This most recent election proved it, as many moderate Republicans got the boot. I cant speak for the other side, but I know that the Republicans do not want an Arlen Spector running for president, we need a Ronald Reagan Conservative, something that McCain and Julianni are not.


As for the Democratic Side, I think that Hillary and Gore got no chance. They are way too extreme, and I dont think the democrats want someone like them. Plus, they are too messy. Kerry's future was basicly flushed away when he made that troop remark. So, the only candidates that I see making it are Edwards or Joe Biden. Remember, we got almost 2 years til the actual election. During all of next year, I'm sure you'll see plenty of things happen. Trying to write off Romney and Biden now is foolish. As they could easily gain a lot of popularity in the next couple of years. Trust me, I just see it being a race between 4 people, with 2 being slightly more likely than the others. I really do not think that McCain has a chance, unless he picks a good VP candidate, and I mean a GOOD ULTRA CONSERVATIVE one, because moderate Republicans will not win the presidency in this age.

 

[The Big Al]

Al, I dont see McCain getting it. It will be Mitt Romney vs. Joe Biden, or possibly Julianni.Sorry, Dont know how to spell his last name)

Actually, it is way too early to say who will win. Dean was a frontrunner for the longest time for the 04 election. Yet, he got smashed. Mitt Romney has the best chance because he is the most conservative of the 3 frontrunners. The Republican party is a party of conservatives. This most recent election proved it, as many moderate Republicans got the boot. I cant speak for the other side, but I know that the Republicans do not want an Arlen Spector running for president, we need a Ronald Reagan Conservative, something that McCain and Julianni are not.

Then the Republicans will lose Ohio and Florida and wouldn't stand a chance of picking up battleground states like Michigan and Pennsylvania which would cost them the Presidency. People don't want conservitism anymore. They seen the results of it and aren't pleased.

As for the Democratic Side, I think that Hillary and Gore got no chance.

Hillary's too much like Bush. She thinks the rules don't apply to her.

They are way too extreme, and I dont think the democrats want someone like them. Plus, they are too messy.

I hate to break it to you but Gore has become popular in the last six years. Especially on the environmental front. He is perhaps one of the strongest overall candidates if he decides to run.

Kerry's future was basicly flushed away when he made that troop remark.

Didn't hurt the Dems despite the Republicans blowing it way of proportion. He apologized for any ruffled feathers and outside of the far right, no one cares anymore. Besides, Bohener said he wanted to "beat Kerry to death" inorder to get an apology he had already made both verbally and in writing.

So, the only candidates that I see making it are Edwards or Joe Biden.

And others, Obama is expected to run and as a posterchild of the Senate, he has strong support.

Remember, we got almost 2 years til the actual election. During all of next year, I'm sure you'll see plenty of things happen. Trying to write off Romney and Biden now is foolish. As they could easily gain a lot of popularity in the next couple of years. Trust me, I just see it being a race between 4 people, with 2 being slightly more likely than the others.

I see the blood bath on the Republican side. The Democrats will be trying their best to hide Hillary.

And I'll give you an example of what the Republicans race will be like. In the Michigan Senate race Bouchard won the primary but his opponent Butler refused to endorse him. As a black church minister from the Detroit area he could have used his influences to assist Bouchard in Wayne county. Instead, he remained silent and Bouchard got killed in the general election. Watch for the same sour grapes in '08, especially if "MacCain father a black child" kind of sabotage occurs.

I really do not think that McCain has a chance, unless he picks a good VP candidate, and I mean a GOOD ULTRA CONSERVATIVE one, because moderate Republicans will not win the presidency in this age.

And neither will neocons so I huess your party is just screwed for the next couple of years.

 

[ShowCreator]

Actually, only Reagan Conservatives seem to be the ones MY party wants. They dont want the people who are just democrats in disguise. Thas why we voted so many of them out. The only places where Conservative Republicans got really hurt, was in Blue States, such as Pennsylvania. But the Red States that voted out Republicans, seemed to mainly vote out Rinos, Republicans in name only. I dont think Obama will win because I still believe that America has a lot of prejudice in them. Plus, Senators usually arnt too successful in running for the president's seat without having any governer's experience. Thats been the case for the past few elections now. I still dont think that Gore will win. He has a chance, but I still dont see him on the final ballot, because I think the party is going to want someone else. Plus, all Gore cares about is forcing us to stop driving to work. I mean, he way over exaggerates Global Warming. I doubt he walks to work everyday.

My party is not screwed at all. Trust me, if anyone is screwed, its the Democrats. And I believe that the next couple of years are going to show that. Remember, the Democrats are the ones in control of the house and senate now, so they are going to be the ones that are in the spotlight now. Most of the things they ran on this election, are totally falling apart. So lets see just what happens in 2 years.

Al, people do want conservativism, a lot more than you realize. Thats why all the Rino Republicans lost to Blue Dog Democrats. That is the reason, because people DO want conservativism. And once they see that the democrats got no real plan, the Democrats are in big trouble. There is always a correction after a sweep, and that will come in the next few years. I know that the Republicans actually stand a better chance at keeping the presidency, because of the recent elections. Now, I know your going to state what the media will like you to believe to prove me wrong, but I dont care what the media tells me, cause I dont care bout the media. I go by what IS to make my judgements. I guess we'll just have to sit back and wait and see just what happens in the next few years.

 

[The Big Al]

Actually, only Reagan Conservatives seem to be the ones MY party wants.

1. Reagan Conservatives have turned into neocons.
2. YOUR party isn't the majority.

They dont want the people who are just democrats in disguise. Thas why we voted so many of them out.

Actually the independants voted them out because despite siding with the Democrats on many issues, they vote for Republican leadership. Why do you think Chafee is now thinking of leaving the GOP. If he had done that a month ago, he probably would have won.

The only places where Conservative Republicans got really hurt, was in Blue States, such as Pennsylvania.

They lost quite a quite few seats in New Hampshire, Indiana, and Kentucky which aren't blue states and they lost some real conservative seats. And, many red states (like Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, and Monata) are becoming blue states. So I guess saying "Oh, we only lost in blue states" amounts to "Oh, we only lost congress".

But the Red States that voted out Republicans, seemed to mainly vote out Rinos, Republicans in name only.

That's because they'll get the saming voting recorded but speaker Pelosi.

I dont think Obama will win because I still believe that America has a lot of prejudice in them. Plus, Senators usually arnt too successful in running for the president's seat without having any governer's experience. Thats been the case for the past few elections now. I still dont think that Gore will win. He has a chance, but I still dont see him on the final ballot, because I think the party is going to want someone else. Plus, all Gore cares about is forcing us to stop driving to work. I mean, he way over exaggerates Global Warming. I doubt he walks to work everyday.

You are a moron. I'm the meteorologist around here and I can tell you that Global Warming is real and it's all Al Gore is saying it is. We just got done talking about Global Warming in Thermo. It's undeniable.

And he's not talking about not driving to work. He's talking about using alternative sources of energy than arachic (no offense Arachic) fossil fuels. We have the technology, we just need to refine them for mainstream, cost effective use.

My party is not screwed at all. Trust me, if anyone is screwed, its the Democrats.

And we come back to the right-wing bitch line. "WE won. We lost everything up for election but we still won." America gave its grade to conservatism and it's a giant "FAILURE". Unless the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot (which I doubt) they're fine.

And I believe that the next couple of years are going to show that. Remember, the Democrats are the ones in control of the house and senate now, so they are going to be the ones that are in the spotlight now.

And that's what they wanted. You act like they don't want the spotlight on them? Are you truly that stupid? They've wanted this because now it's their policy that will be in the papers and on people's lips. Even if Bush vetoes everything it's still in people's minds when they head back to the polls in '08. This is an idea war and the Democrats intend to win it.

Most of the things they ran on this election, are totally falling apart. So lets see just what happens in 2 years.

Minimum wage: All six measures approved by voters.
Gay Marriage Ban: Struck down by voters in Arizona.
Abortion Ban: Struck down by voters in South Dakota.
Stem Cell Research: Approved by voters in Missouri.

You're right, the Democrats are DOOMED!

Al, people do want conservativism, a lot more than you realize. Thats why all the Rino Republicans lost to Blue Dog Democrats.

And you seem to overestimate how conservative this "Blue Dogs" are. Most of them ran on increasing the minimum wage, lowering interest rates on college loans, and improving the health care system, pretty liberal stances. So what if they aren't too hot on abortion or gay marriage, their non-issues. And if they truly wanted conservatism they would have voted for more conservative Republicans in the primaries.

That is the reason, because people DO want conservativism. And once they see that the democrats got no real plan, the Democrats are in big trouble.

They don't have a plan. They don't have a plan. Oy, it's your central arguement and not based in the slightest on reality. What do you call the 100 hour PLAN. The Democrats intend to change the way things are done in Washington. So what if they can't override a veto, they can stop Bush and they can set the tone for what's important.

There is always a correction after a sweep, and that will come in the next few years. I know that the Republicans actually stand a better chance at keeping the presidency, because of the recent elections. Now, I know your going to state what the media will like you to believe to prove me wrong, but I dont care what the media tells me, cause I dont care bout the media. I go by what IS to make my judgements. I guess we'll just have to sit back and wait and see just what happens in the next few years.

If your judgement on global warming is any indication, the Democrats are as safe as safe gets.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

1. Reagan Conservatives have turned into neocons.
2. YOUR party isn't the majority.

Actually the independants voted them out because despite siding with the Democrats on many issues, they vote for Republican leadership. Why do you think Chafee is now thinking of leaving the GOP. If he had done that a month ago, he probably would have won.

They lost quite a quite few seats in New Hampshire, Indiana, and Kentucky which aren't blue states and they lost some real conservative seats. And, many red states (like Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, and Monata) are becoming blue states. So I guess saying "Oh, we only lost in blue states" amounts to "Oh, we only lost congress".

How is New Hampshire not a blue state? Indiana and Ohio are full of people like yourself, so they can't really be called red states.

That's because they'll get the saming voting recorded but speaker Pelosi.

You are a moron. I'm the meteorologist around here and I can tell you that Global Warming is real and it's all Al Gore is saying it is. We just got done talking about Global Warming in Thermo. It's undeniable.

And he's not talking about not driving to work. He's talking about using alternative sources of energy than arachic (no offense Arachic) fossil fuels. We have the technology, we just need to refine them for mainstream, cost effective use.

I'm guessing you mean archaic, but we can always go Brazil's way or even make oil out of coal and organic waste. Also, the environmentalist movement sounds retarded when it calls for alternative energy and then rails against nuclear energy.

My party is not screwed at all. Trust me, if anyone is screwed, its the Democrats.

And we come back to the right-wing bitch line. "WE won. We lost everything up for election but we still won." America gave its grade to conservatism and it's a giant "FAILURE". Unless the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot (which I doubt) they're fine.

Losing the battle doesn't mean losing the war. Besides, this is going to set up a split in the Democratic party between the liberals and Blue Dogs.

And that's what they wanted. You act like they don't want the spotlight on them? Are you truly that stupid? They've wanted this because now it's their policy that will be in the papers and on people's lips. Even if Bush vetoes everything it's still in people's minds when they head back to the polls in '08. This is an idea war and the Democrats intend to win it.

Minimum wage: All six measures approved by voters.
Gay Marriage Ban: Struck down by voters in Arizona.
Abortion Ban: Struck down by voters in South Dakota.
Stem Cell Research: Approved by voters in Missouri.

You're right, the Democrats are DOOMED!

And the gay marriage ban passed in Virginia. Big deal, especially since Arizona wasn't exactly a hotbead of fundamentalism in the first place. Missouri just proved that it is a bunch of children swayed by celebrity TV ads.

And you seem to overestimate how conservative this "Blue Dogs" are. Most of them ran on increasing the minimum wage, lowering interest rates on college loans, and improving the health care system, pretty liberal stances. So what if they aren't too hot on abortion or gay marriage, their non-issues. And if they truly wanted conservatism they would have voted for more conservative Republicans in the primaries.

None of those are inherently liberal stances, it's just that the liberals want to take those issues to the extreme, while the Blue Dogs are more moderate on those issues. The Southern Democrats are especially conservative because unless they are in urban areas, they have to court conservative voters. They may be somewhat more liberal economically but they'll split on social conservatism.

They don't have a plan. They don't have a plan. Oy, it's your central arguement and not based in the slightest on reality. What do you call the 100 hour PLAN. The Democrats intend to change the way things are done in Washington. So what if they can't override a veto, they can stop Bush and they can set the tone for what's important.

Ooh, it's called a plan, therefore it must be good!

If your judgement on global warming is any indication, the Democrats are as safe as safe gets.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

There is always a correction after a sweep, and that will come in the next few years.

One, quick thing: The Republicans gained the majority in the House and Senate in 1994. When 1996 came around, Clinton was re-elected while the Republicans retained their majority. Nothing changed beyond, I'm sure, a handful of seats here and there. Where is this "always" and what is the "correction"?

 

[The Big Al]

New Hampshire was a red state. Until now it had all Republican House Memebers, a Republican Governor, a Republic state house and senate and still have at least one Republican Senator (because neither were up for reelection). Until Kerry they voted Republican for Presdient. It was a blood red state.

Nuclear energy is as much an environmental hazard as fossil fuel burning, especially waste storage wise. Solar and Wind power are qiuckly beomcing cheaper and have always been safer anyway. Nuclear power is almost as outdated as fossil fuel burning. This is the twenty-first century, why don't we innovate ways to ween ourselves off of hydrocarbons instead of fancier ways of using it.

And once again you immedately assume a wide range of opinions hurts the Democrats. We're not the Republicans, we're fully willing to debate amoung ourselves to reach a well accepted position instead of one side bullying the other into line like the Republicans have. If any party is split, it's the Republicans. There are those already blaming Bush and people like you and ShowCreator blaming the moderates.

Michigan passed a gay marraige ban and we're "Rustbelt Commie Land". The people of Arizona had the balls to say we're not just ban something because we don't agree with it.

Missouri had supported stem cell research long before the Fox ad.

Social conservatism isn't in the cards. The Democrats want to start this country back on the track to the 21st century and they'll find a happy medium between the liberals and the blue dogs. You're acting like they're already attacking each other.

I was making the point they have a plan. And considering what they want to bring into the forefront; acting on the reconmendations of the 9/11 Commission, raising the minimum wage, lowering interest on college loans, reforming the health care system, repealing tax cuts for the top .1%, ethics reform, and other actions the American people have been demanding it's a good plan.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

New Hampshire was a red state. Until now it had all Republican House Memebers, a Republican Governor, a Republic state house and senate and still have at least one Republican Senator (because neither were up for reelection). Until Kerry they voted Republican for Presdient. It was a blood red state.

New Hampshire, which was never "blood red" since the 50s (at the same time when the South was blue as the sky) was going to fully go to the Democrats considering it's squashed between Vermont and Massachusetts.

Nuclear energy is as much an environmental hazard as fossil fuel burning, especially waste storage wise. Solar and Wind power are qiuckly beomcing cheaper and have always been safer anyway. Nuclear power is almost as outdated as fossil fuel burning. This is the twenty-first century, why don't we innovate ways to ween ourselves off of hydrocarbons instead of fancier ways of using it.

Because there's no reason to. If we can produce oil cheaply from literally crap (well, trash, but you get my point) then there's no reason to. It's like you want to make things more expensive just for the hell of it.

And once again you immedately assume a wide range of opinions hurts the Democrats. We're not the Republicans, we're fully willing to debate amoung ourselves to reach a well accepted position instead of one side bullying the other into line like the Republicans have. If any party is split, it's the Republicans. There are those already blaming Bush and people like you and ShowCreator blaming the moderates.

I don't blame the moderates for anything. It's only the Chafees that I'm real critical, but they're RINOs anyway. Besides, the Democrats can't say anything after the purging of Lieberman came back to bite them.

Michigan passed a gay marraige ban and we're "Rustbelt Commie Land". The people of Arizona had the balls to say we're not just ban something because we don't agree with it.

There are two broad kinds of liberals in America: the socialists like you and the libertines. The socialists love stuff like universal health care and protectionism but are cooler to abortion, gay marriage, etc. The libertines are the ones who support that stuff. Arizona didn't surprise me at all, since that area's exploding in growth.

Missouri had supported stem cell research long before the Fox ad.

Social conservatism isn't in the cards. The Democrats want to start this country back on the track to the 21st century and they'll find a happy medium between the liberals and the blue dogs. You're acting like they're already attacking each other.

We'll have to wait a little bit before the real division comes, but it'll come. I don't know if all Democrats voted in the Speaker elections, but if they did then it's the kiss of death for the newly elected Blue Dogs. A vote as Pelosi for speaker is a death warrant for some of the Democrats.

I was making the point they have a plan. And considering what they want to bring into the forefront; acting on the reconmendations of the 9/11 Commission, raising the minimum wage, lowering interest on college loans, reforming the health care system, repealing tax cuts for the top .1%, ethics reform, and other actions the American people have been demanding it's a good plan.

Only three of those points really mean anything, since you can talk about reform all you want, but eventually you'll have to give some kind of concrete plan for reform.

 

[The Big Al]

It was still Republican. I could say the same thing about Virginia, Missouri, and Montan, they're all going blue piece by piece. All three Democrat governors, and now Montana has two Democrat Senators. Face it, your kind is losing ground and losing support.

We've have all the reason to. It takes energy to turn "crap" into fuel. I can't take a piss in my gas tank and expect my car to run. After the cost of construction Wind and Solar power only require upkeep as they make energy for free from an energy standpoint. It's getting the energy (the sun) directly instead of a middle man (the plants that absorbed the sunlight and the animals that ate them). Why should have a reason to? We should just do it because it's the next step. If the United States put in the bucks, we could become the leader in green technology, creating jobs and ways to make money. Instead the Republicans like you want to hem and haw and let us be passed up by the rest of the world.

Everyone voting Democrat KNEW they were voting for Speaker Pelosi. You see, this is assuming AGAIN that people think like you in your little bubble. Conservatism as we knew it in October is dead. The American people have had enough. The independants sided with the Democrats overwhelming, the young voters sided with the Democrats overwhelmingly. The Blue Dogs didn't win on being conservatives, in fact a few DINO's were defeated because people wanted change in the house.

 

[Girafarig_Magcargo]

It was still Republican. I could say the same thing about Virginia, Missouri, and Montan, they're all going blue piece by piece. All three Democrat governors, and now Montana has two Democrat Senators. Face it, your kind is losing ground and losing support.

Virginia is becoming less red because of demographics, not ideology. Same with Missouri, and Montana voted in Tester because Burns accepted money from Abramoff.

We've have all the reason to. It takes energy to turn "crap" into fuel. I can't take a piss in my gas tank and expect my car to run. After the cost of construction Wind and Solar power only require upkeep as they make energy for free from an energy standpoint. It's getting the energy (the sun) directly instead of a middle man (the plants that absorbed the sunlight and the animals that ate them). Why should have a reason to? We should just do it because it's the next step. If the United States put in the bucks, we could become the leader in green technology, creating jobs and ways to make money. Instead the Republicans like you want to hem and haw and let us be passed up by the rest of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization. This and ethanol would produce enough fuel to keep us going for a very long time. Unless we can find some massive advantage to solar and wind power, we don't really need to deal with them.

Everyone voting Democrat KNEW they were voting for Speaker Pelosi. You see, this is assuming AGAIN that people think like you in your little bubble. Conservatism as we knew it in October is dead. The American people have had enough. The independants sided with the Democrats overwhelming, the young voters sided with the Democrats overwhelmingly. The Blue Dogs didn't win on being conservatives, in fact a few DINO's were defeated because people wanted change in the house.

WTF are you talking about? No Democrat lost his seat in the House. I guess you're talking about primaries, but the Democrats failed to live up to the Soviet standard by botching Lieberman's purge. :lol:

Seriously, a few of the moderate Democrats (Jim Marshall and John Barrow in GA) escaped by the skin of their teeth. It'll be hard for them to survive the Republican barrage of Liberalfest Congress. Unless the Blue Dogs make an independent statement, a lot of them will be sunk.