Gen V split from I - IV, role reversals

[kilon]

I always like new pokemon simply because it's always a surprise what will appear next. But every generation has a certain amount of new pokemon. So they should just go with something like:
-Pre-E4: 100-150 new pokemon + 50-100 pokemon from previous gens
-Past-E4: 100-200 pokemon from previous gens.
And the rest you have to transfer or something.

Note: numbers can be horribly wrong, I'm just a casual fan in that aspect.

 

[Shinx3000]

No old Pokemon? And let it suffer the same unfortunate fate that RS did? No thanks.

People really wanted to see the new pokemon, they came and they wanted the old ones back, never made any sense to me. Still we had slugma, geodude/graveler, machop, tentacool/cruel, pikachu, rhyhorn, doduo/dodrio, zubat/golbat, rhyhorn/rhydon, staryu, goldeen, magikarp/garaydos, wobuffett etc... it wasn't devoid of older pokemon

That's such a horrible idea. I think a lot of people stopped at Gen 3 because they didn't recognize the pokemon.

I thought it was that peole didn't like the so many water routes?

 

[Gooblah]

People really wanted to see the new pokemon, they came and they wanted the old ones back, never made any sense to me. Still we had slugma, geodude/graveler, machop, tentacool/cruel, pikachu, rhyhorn, doduo/dodrio, zubat/golbat, rhyhorn/rhydon, staryu, goldeen, magikarp/garaydos, wobuffett etc... it wasn't devoid of older pokemon



I thought it was that peole didn't like the so many water routes?

I always thought Slugma/Magcargo were Generation III Pokemon...hmmm. Interesting.

I relished the new Pokemon in Generation III, most of them were interesting and ungimmicky (and if they were, it was in a good way, like Shedinja). And Pelipper spam is infinitely preferable to Tentacruel spam, since Pelippers are fodder for boosting electric-types..

 

[Carefree Cradily]

No. People with their Nostalgia Goggles on would do ceremonial sacrifices like they did with Ruby and Sapphire.

Yeah but it's not like that would really change anything as far as overall sales go. At least a good number of the people who would complain would have also bought the game even if they didn't play it after a few minutes, which would still contribute to sales. There would be complaint among the fans, like RS gets complained about but the pokemon company would consider it a success as long as it makes enough money.

 

[kman]

No thanks, I'd prefer another G/S or D/P, not another R/S.

 

[IceBlue]

This morphed into a Ruby and Saphirre discussoin thread. That's bad, right?

I don't really care either way. It could have All new PPokemon, or all old ones. I don't really care.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

Um I don't see a point of "starting over" with EVERYTHING after over 13 years have went by. If you weren't around for the 1st Gen tough luck, you made it this far.

 

[Anthony Von Hertzon]

This morphed into a Ruby and Sapphire discussion thread. That's bad, right?

Nah, its not bad. Its just beginning to negatively effect how people are discussing the original question of the thread, thus, leading to off topic spam. However, then the topic is completely changed and the thread has lost all point. Nope, not bad at all.
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What was so bad about R/S/E anyways. I played it, hated it, but then again, my reasons were selfish. I only wanted the legendaries for my platinum collection so the game was rushed. I'm going back once I beat HG/SS. Really, could the generation that introduced Breloom which is arguably the bestest pokemon evar be that bad?
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Lets just shoot for lots of new pokemon and still have generation compatibility. It'll make everyone happy...I think.

 

[Venator]

People are so biased against RSE. Poor people, not able to open there eyes and realize how great of a generation RSE was.

Just gonna borrow this from Bulbanews

The "bashing" of Hoenn, its Pokémon and Generation III is a general trend I have noticed ever since I joined the online Pokémon community, however it questionable whether it is really justifiable.

Even as we play our long-awaited Gold and Silver remakes, there is one thing many of us often forget: that they are sequels. Not just sequels to any Pokémon games, but to the originals, the ones which started it all and despite their many errors, will always have a special place in our hearts. Generation II was so popular precisely because it was able to fix the majority of the mistakes of the first generation, and add in a great deal of new features, while retaining its classic pocket-monsters. It wasn't just many Kanto Pokémon who returned in the GSC games, also back came the same villainous team, many NPC's including Prof. Oak and Bill, and finally at the end of the game the original region itself.

This couldn't last forever, of course, because the series needed to move on. When Game Freak started working on Ruby and Sapphire, the first of the third generation games, they must have decided very early on that it would ditch many of the staples of the previous two generations. When you look at how much is shared between the RBY and GSC games, you realise just how bold a move this was, and it becomes clear that it would have been difficult to do this without upsetting a large proportion of the fandom in one way or another.

Hoenn was a step above the two regions that had preceded it, something that hit me recently when I was playing my version of HeartGold: I realized how cramped much of Johto is compared to the spaciousness found in both Hoenn and Sinnoh. The region of the third generation was also much more beautiful and contained several new environments including a desert and volcanic area, which had never graced a Pokémon region before. Also, the Hoenn region storyline was far more complex and interesting than the simplistic tales of the previous games. Unfortunately, even as a dedicated fan of Generation III, I admit that on average, the Pokémon introduced in the generation weren't of the same high quality of those of the first two. I do believe however that many fans exaggerated the difference between them, partly due to bitterness over the lack of connectivity with the other generations.

Although this was a painful shift, especially for the fandom, the need to update the data structure of the Pokémon themselves was overwhelming. To keep connectivity with the first generation, both gender and shininess had been tied to IV's in the second generation, adding yet more to be determined by these numbers would have led to numerous strange incidents where only certain combination of features were possible, plus left extras such as ribbons impossible. While the move did alienate many fans, I think that the number of fans who supposedly "left the fandom" because of this are overstated: after-all we must remember that Pokémon was losing the super-popularity it had held for the years beforehand anyway, and so sales would be expected to drop regardless.

Some may claim that Generation IV makes the third generation games obsolete, and yes, I admit that most of what Generation III introduced the fourth does better. We must not forget, however, that in reality Generation IV is more actually Generation III+, for compared to what happened previously between generations, precious little other than the split in physical and special moves happened game play wise. When you compare this to breeding, genders, the splitting of the special stat and held items of the second generation and the natures, abilities, double battles and contests of the third, then suddenly the fourth generation is revealed for what it truly is, an evolution rather a revolution.

Returning to my original statement, I believe that the Generation III games deserves more respect than they usually get; while not everything they introduced was perfect, they are the base upon which our modern Pokémon games are built. This generation had to try to remake much of one of the most popular franchises on the entire planet, and considering how much of a task this was I think they had a very good go at it. I know that there are many fans who disagree with this, who believe that the first two generations will always be the best, and that is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It must be known, however, that there is no consensus view of which Pokémon games are the best or worst, or which features are welcome or unneeded. With the arrival of Generation V in Japan less than a year away, and the possibility of a Ruby/Sapphire remake being considered now by fans everywhere, I hope that Game Freak and Nintendo will take the opinions of the whole Pokémon community into account, rather than just those of loud-mouthed critics.

Stop bashing Hoenn because it was a new direction for the Pokemon series. Without it, we wouldn't have natures or abilities, two of the key factors in the player metagame.

On-topic: I would support another RSE without the general fodder normally seen in every region (except Zubat for Crobat).

 

[Falconwing]

No no no no no no no no no no no no

Can you imagine the backlash from a decision like this? Starting from scratch, ditching the old favorites? So, so many people would be unhappy and these games would be less popular than RS are.

 

[The Outrage]

Stop bashing Hoenn because it was a new direction for the Pokemon series. Without it, we wouldn't have natures or abilities, two of the key factors in the player metagame.

Its not bashing if all people did was state fact that they did dislike the fact that Hoenn completely cut off from the past series. This game has even less of an excuse to do it being on the same console.

Anyway, seeing brand new pokemon was the best part of RS you actually felt like you were someplace new

You can showcase new Pokemon without completely cutting ties off from the past series like what RS did for a bit and what the OP is suggesting they do for the rest of the series.

Also, Ryuu, that picture is as overused as these threads are overdone.

 

[Falconwing]

But I'm the only one who uses that picture...

 

[ASDF]

I'd like an option for some older pokemon, but I wouldn't mind that much if most of them were just the new ones. That's just me though, I can totally see the point of view of people who wouldn't like it. At the very least, I think, they need to ditch the Geodude, Zubat, Tentacool, etc staples. It's getting tiresome.

 

[The Outrage]

But I'm the only one who uses that picture...

Still manages to overuse it.

Also the idea of splitting the fandom into a broken base sandwich is actually kind of funny. The nostalgia fans, the new age GenV and over fans and the middle child Gen III and IV who I haven't really thought up a name for yet.

 

[Carefree Cradily]

Its not bashing if all people did was state fact that they did dislike the fact that Hoenn completely cut off from the past series. This game has even less of an excuse to do it being on the same console.



You can showcase new Pokemon without completely cutting ties off from the past series like what RS did for a bit and what the OP is suggesting they do for the rest of the series.

Also, Ryuu, that picture is as overused as these threads are overdone.

Wait are you saying the OP was talking about no compatibility with the previous generations? If that is the case, I definitely don't want all my pokemon stuck in previous generations and unable to be traded/pal parked etc over.

 

[RudolphMilotic]

Its not a sweeper compared to others so a x4 weak is counter intuitive to its design.

LOL at Metagross not being a sweeper; maybe it didn't get a support move to increase its already good Attack stat like the others pseudo-legendaries, but it can be as offensive as them with the right moveset. Besides, Meteor Mash can raise its Attack and it got both Rock Polish and Agility to increase its Speed.

 

[Venator]

Also the idea of splitting the fandom into a broken base sandwich is actually kind of funny. The nostalgia fans, the new age GenV and over fans and the middle child Gen III and IV who I haven't really thought up a name for yet.

Don't get me wrong as I'm an all-gen player and I agree that having that connection severed with the previous games was a little shocking for fans (I tried to trade with my Crystal and was dissapointed ) when RSE came out. But you know what? I adjusted and kicked the games butt over and over. Its not to bad when you realize that those with the actual Sapphire and Ruby (and FireRed/LeafGreen) can fill their Pokedex a lot faster.

 

[The Outrage]

LOL at Metagross not being a sweeper; maybe it didn't get a support move to increase its already good Attack stat like the others pseudo-legendaries, but it can be as offensive as them with the right moveset. Besides, Meteor Mash can raise its Attack and it got both Rock Polish and Agility to increase its Speed.

I realize that, its just the other guys are more stereotypically what you think of as sweepers. Except Dragonite. He's the fat kid. I guess the term I was looking for was a "fast" sweeper (ignoring Agility). But that's a bit off topic.

And I did say "compared to"

 

[RudolphMilotic]

And I did say "compared to"

Besides, you forgot to put "as much of" before "a sweeper compared to...". But I got the point.

 

[Ranger Jack Walker]

People really wanted to see the new pokemon, they came and they wanted the old ones back, never made any sense to me. Still we had slugma, geodude/graveler, machop, tentacool/cruel, pikachu, rhyhorn, doduo/dodrio, zubat/golbat, rhyhorn/rhydon, staryu, goldeen, magikarp/garaydos, wobuffett etc... it wasn't devoid of older pokemon



I thought it was that peole didn't like the so many water routes?

Yes, those certain pokemon are available. But you get what I'm trying to say, right? They don't even have an excuse to exclude older pokemon this time.

But concerning geodude, tentacool, zubat, etc, many hate them because they appear too much.

But I'm the only one who uses that picture...

But you really do overuse that pic.