Generation IV Remake Speculation

[Bolt Strike]

It turns out that the whole National Dex controversy is all just a huge misunderstanding by the fans because Game Freak wanted to save the remaining Pokemon for the Gen 4 remakes (maybe, we just do not know). Do you remember when most of the Hoenn Pokemon (along with other Pokemon from the other gens) were missing from XY? That's because they had to save them for ORAS.

That wouldn't really be a "misunderstanding", because we cannot, and might not ever, be able to transfer the missing Pokemon to SwSh. It would soften the blow though, if all of your Pokemon are obtainable in at least 1 game per generation, because then someone's favorite Pokemon isn't just rotting in Home for eons. This scenario reminds me more of FRLG, than ORAS really. Because after RS, everyone was upset that they couldn't transfer their old favorites from RBY and GSC, and some of the old Pokemon not being in RS at all made me worry that the missing ones would be gone for good. But then Colosseum, FRLG, XD, and Emerald happened and they just added the missing ones back.

 

[RC821]

That wouldn't really be a "misunderstanding", because we cannot, and might not ever, be able to transfer the missing Pokemon to SwSh. It would soften the blow though, if all of your Pokemon are obtainable in at least 1 game per generation, because then someone's favorite Pokemon isn't just rotting in Home for eons. This scenario reminds me more of FRLG, than ORAS really. Because after RS, everyone was upset that they couldn't transfer their old favorites from RBY and GSC, and some of the old Pokemon not being in RS at all made me worry that the missing ones would be gone for good. But then Colosseum, FRLG, XD, and Emerald happened and they just added the missing ones back.

Wait, this is the 1st National Dex controversy when it comes to Ruby an Sapphire. Like years before Sword and Shield existed?

 

[Phosphene]

Wait, this is the 1st National Dex controversy when it comes to Ruby an Sapphire. Like years before Sword and Shield existed?

I don't know if it was a controversy per say, since I wasn't around in the fandom at this time, but it was similar to what went on now with a few key differences.

Essentially, Pokemon from the gen 1 and gen 2 games could not be transferred to any gen 3 games, though all Pokemon were included in the code of those games.

 

[RC821]

Essentially, Pokemon from the gen 1 and gen 2 games could not be transferred to any gen 3 games, though all Pokemon were included in the code of those games.

This leads us to one question, can Game Freak update the code of Sword and Shield when the Gen 4 remakes came out?

 

[RileyXY1]

This leads us to one question, can Game Freak update the code of Sword and Shield when the Gen 4 remakes came out?

They've never done that with mid-gen games.

 

[prog rocker]

They've never done that with mid-gen games.

They also never did (traditional) DLC, nor big content updates, and here we're now.

 

[RC821]

Moving on from that, I wonder how the post game story will go.

 

[RileyXY1]

They also never did (traditional) DLC, nor big content updates, and here we're now.

I don't think that they will so people will be more incentivized to buy the Sinnoh remakes or whatever else they put out next year.

 

[SlowGinFizzzz]

This leads us to one question, can Game Freak update the code of Sword and Shield when the Gen 4 remakes came out?

Yes, they can. No, they most probably won't.

 

[prog rocker]

I don't think that they will so people will be more incentivized to buy the Sinnoh remakes or whatever else they put out next year.

Eh... I don't think both things can be mutually exclusive.

 

[prog rocker]

I don't think that they will so people will be more incentivized to buy the Sinnoh remakes or whatever else they put out next year.

Eh... I don't think both things can be mutually exclusive.

 

[RileyXY1]

Eh... I don't think both things can be mutually exclusive.

Some people wouldn't buy the Sinnoh remakes or whatever they put out next year and instead have those Pokemon traded into Sword and Shield.

 

[prog rocker]

Some people wouldn't buy the Sinnoh remakes or whatever they put out next year and instead have those Pokemon traded into Sword and Shield.

"Some". That's the keyword there. Not "everyone".

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Moving on from that, I wonder how the post game story will go.

I'm not sure, but I'd better be able to buy the Villa again. I suspect/hope their will be something with Looker added to the game.

 

[RileyXY1]

"Some". That's the keyword there. Not "everyone".

But still, it will make Dexit meaningless if every Pokemon was eventually added. There will never be a game with every Pokemon in it ever again.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

I think I'm going to need you to elaborate. They look pretty similar to me, but maybe I'm overlooking something.

Oh, sure! I'm used to immediately thinking of the two as different because I've tried making edits of them and seeing they don't mesh, but their styles are pretty similar, but not quite the same! Here's a few side by side comparisons pulled from Bulbapedia:

It turns out that the whole National Dex controversy is all just a huge misunderstanding by the fans because Game Freak wanted to save the remaining Pokemon for the Gen 4 remakes (maybe, we just do not know). Do you remember when most of the Hoenn Pokemon (along with other Pokemon from the other gens) were missing from XY? That's because they had to save them for ORAS.

No, the National Dex controversy is about people not being able to transfer their Pokemon, not that it's not available in the wild in the game. It'd also be a pretty bad move on Game Freak's part to just let people get upset about that and not mention that the next game would include all missing Pokemon if that was really what the plan was.

And out of the 106 species introduced in Gen 4, we have 58 of them obtainable in SwSh, more than half.

Spoiler: The list, if you're curious

Shinx, Luxio Luxray, Budew, Roserade, Combee, Vespiqueen, Mothin, Cherubi, Shellos, Gastrodon, Drifloon, Driftblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Stunky, Skuntank, Bronzong, Bronzor, Bonsly, Mime Jr, Happiny, Spiritomb, Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Mantyke, Snover, Abomasnow, Weavile, Magnezone, Hippopotas, Hippowdown, Leafeon, Glaceon, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Mamoswine, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Dialga, Palkia, Regigas, Giratina, Cresselia

And true, it's missing the starters, Pikaclone, and regional bird/rodent, but it also has pretty well-known Sinnoh mons like the Creation Trio, the pseudo, and Lucario.

 

[RileyXY1]

Oh, sure! I'm used to immediately thinking of the two as different because I've tried making edits of them and seeing they don't mesh, but their styles are pretty similar, but not quite the same! Here's a few side by side comparisons pulled from Bulbapedia:
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No, the National Dex controversy is about people not being able to transfer their Pokemon, not that it's not available in the wild in the game. It'd also be a pretty bad move on Game Freak's part to just let people get upset about that and not mention that the next game would include all missing Pokemon if that was really what the plan was.

And out of the 106 species introduced in Gen 4, we have 58 of them obtainable in SwSh, more than half.

Spoiler: The list, if you're curious

Shinx, Luxio Luxray, Budew, Roserade, Combee, Vespiqueen, Mothin, Cherubi, Shellos, Gastrodon, Drifloon, Driftblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Stunky, Skuntank, Bronzong, Bronzor, Bonsly, Mime Jr, Happiny, Spiritomb, Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Mantyke, Snover, Abomasnow, Weavile, Magnezone, Hippopotas, Hippowdown, Leafeon, Glaceon, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Mamoswine, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Dialga, Palkia, Regigas, Giratina, Cresselia

And true, it's missing the starters, Pikaclone, and regional bird/rodent, but it also has pretty well-known Sinnoh mons like the Creation Trio, the pseudo, and Lucario.

Yeah. Sword and Shield and the Expansion Passes already have a lot of the Sinnoh Pokemon already covered.

 

[Poke Dragon]

Oh, sure! I'm used to immediately thinking of the two as different because I've tried making edits of them and seeing they don't mesh, but their styles are pretty similar, but not quite the same! Here's a few side by side comparisons pulled from Bulbapedia:
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No, the National Dex controversy is about people not being able to transfer their Pokemon, not that it's not available in the wild in the game. It'd also be a pretty bad move on Game Freak's part to just let people get upset about that and not mention that the next game would include all missing Pokemon if that was really what the plan was.

And out of the 106 species introduced in Gen 4, we have 58 of them obtainable in SwSh, more than half.

Spoiler: The list, if you're curious

Shinx, Luxio Luxray, Budew, Roserade, Combee, Vespiqueen, Mothin, Cherubi, Shellos, Gastrodon, Drifloon, Driftblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Stunky, Skuntank, Bronzong, Bronzor, Bonsly, Mime Jr, Happiny, Spiritomb, Gible, Gabite, Garchomp, Munchlax, Riolu, Lucario, Skorupi, Drapion, Croagunk, Toxicroak, Mantyke, Snover, Abomasnow, Weavile, Magnezone, Hippopotas, Hippowdown, Leafeon, Glaceon, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Mamoswine, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Dialga, Palkia, Regigas, Giratina, Cresselia

And true, it's missing the starters, Pikaclone, and regional bird/rodent, but it also has pretty well-known Sinnoh mons like the Creation Trio, the pseudo, and Lucario.

But out of the Sinnoh Pokemon in Sword and Shield, most of non-legendaries are part of another generation's evolutionary line. There are still a large number of purely Gen 4 non-legendary Pokemon still missing from the dex, including the obvious fossils.

 

[RileyXY1]

But out of the Sinnoh Pokemon in Sword and Shield, most of non-legendaries are part of another generation's evolutionary line. There are still a large number of purely Gen 4 non-legendary Pokemon still missing from the dex, including the obvious fossils.

Most of the ones that are popular are already in Sword and Shield, and this is a problem not exclusive to Sinnoh.

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

Yes, each generation is actually represented pretty equally for the most part. Who is and is not included is not really indicative of a remake for any generation. Although, it does feel slightly weighted toward gen 2 and 4. Also, Gens 2 and 4 didn't receive legendary story missions in Crown Tundra. The only other gen not to have one is 6, but 6 didn't have a trio of any kind and rehashing the Zygarde cell quest would have been boring. All of this doesn't really get us anywhere because logic dictates that one of the two is the most likely candidate for a game next year.