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Controversial opinion/rant/tangent incoming:
If anyone in the Pokemon anime is a Psychopath, it's Hunter J. She did not care about a Pokemon's feelings. She only saw them as a tool for making money.

That’s the whole point of Hunter J’s character, though. That’s not really a controversial opinion. She’s on TV Tropes Complete Monster list for this reason.
 
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Here’s an opinion:

While Misty was right that Ash didn’t take the time to prepare for the Indigo league (and it was partially Ash’s own fault that he lost), Ash wasn’t in the wrong for being upset that he lost. Misty wasn’t being too considerate of Ash’s feelings because she was trying for force Ash to change his mood when he just wanted to be left alone. Ash was probably upset with how he lost, because Ash did lose the Indigo League in a humiliating way (even though it was still a good reflection on the little amount of effort Ash put into preparing for the league and training Charizard, it was still a humiliating way for Ash to lose).

I like Misty as a character, but I did have issues with her actions sometimes.

With Serena, I never felt she was trying to force Ash to stop sulking after he lost to Wulfric. At least Serena was considerate of Ash’s feelings. Serena was being nice to Ash and was empathetic until Ash rudely snapped at her. I don’t even blame Serena for being upset and throwing snowballs at Ash. Ash should have politely told Serena that he wanted to be left alone.
 
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My question to the next person who posts about Go-psychopath.
Who seriously called Go a psychopath here?
Speaking of Hunter J, someone once said that Gou was worse than her in the monster aspect.
Then there's the idea that Gou would betray Satoshi, at the drop of a hat, for a chance to get Mew.
 

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Speaking of Hunter J, someone once said that Gou was worse than her in the monster aspect.
Then there's the idea that Gou would betray Satoshi, at the drop of a hat, for a chance to get Mew.
I don’t recall the first one here, not seriously though.
And as someone who's seen the entire anime section (yes, I’m a free person), can you please show me where the second one comes from? It’s such a random thing I've LITERALLY never come across that before. Are we making up stuff people who don’t like Go have said?
 
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I don't like him because of how he's written. I hate how easy he gets stuff. How the world bends itself for him. How he barely faces consequences. How rushed his arc is. I hate all of this about him.

You basically summed up the issues I had with Goh’s character. Goh reminds me of Alain...both Gary Stu-ish. I’m also an African woman of color too, so I don’t dislike him because of his race.
 

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It comes from a fic someone sent to me on Twitter.
I brought it because the setting is similar to the upcoming Project Mew Arc.

Resumed.
Satoshi is in danger, asks Gou for help.
Gou refuses, because he's seen a light and he is sure that it's Mew, and leaves him behind while running after that shining.
Obviously, it was a mirage/illusion. And Gou is more tormented by how he was fooled than what could have happened to Satoshi.

People are quick to distort characters.
But it's worse when they do these kind of things.
The person who told me about it, wanted to ask if something like that would happen in the previously mentioned Arc.
...you used one isolated Twitter incident that might be a troll to generalise?
 

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Never said that person wrote that.
They sent me a link to a fanfic site.
There were readers, favs.

So it means, people share that vision.
The author may be a troll, but that doesn't annul the fact that others liked it.
 

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My question to the next person who posts about Go-psychopath.
Who seriously called Go a psychopath here?
Speaking of Hunter J, someone once said that Gou was worse than her in the monster aspect.
Then there's the idea that Gou would betray Satoshi, at the drop of a hat, for a chance to get Mew.
I asked who called Go a psychopath here, that is, these forums. And you replied with a weird fanfic site. Which isn’t my point at all, nor does it answer my question.

I've personally seen more posts about people complaining that Go's being called a psychopath than the ACTUAL posts calling Go a psychopath.
 

Unireon

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Oh, sorry. I misinterpreted.

Well, the meme comparing him to J got taken down a few moments after it was posted.

I apologise again for not helping....
If only I could remember who sent that pic...
 

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While it is nice to see images of production stuff from the anime, I kinda wish that the Pokemon Twitter account (for the anime, not the main brand account) would stop spoiling things here and there whenever there's a big episode.

I miss the days when we only had the magazines and the little teasers to go off of, helped make things feel more exciting. (I kinda blame S&M for starting this the minute they showed off that dang trophy).
 

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While it is nice to see images of production stuff from the anime, I kinda wish that the Pokemon Twitter account (for the anime, not the main brand account) would stop spoiling things here and there whenever there's a big episode.

I miss the days when we only had the magazines and the little teasers to go off of, helped make things feel more exciting. (I kinda blame S&M for starting this the minute they showed off that dang trophy).

I agree. Sometimes, I feel like I’ve watched an entire episode before it even airs.
 

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Ppl need to learn to accept critisism and not using elements that have nothing to do with it.
It is as simple as that.
 

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We have decided to temporarily lock both this and the Race and Representation in the Anime thread to give staff some time to sift through the lengthy posts and recent discussions. We are taking all perspectives into account in order to decide how to best move forward.
 
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I'm sick and tired of the "MC's Pokemon has a rivalry with their evolved form" trope, it has been used at least once for at least half of the MC Pokemon by this point and it didn't make sense in the first place.
What's wrong with wanting to surpass their evolved form?
 

Alola

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Because it's so, so overused.
Not to mention that most of the time it feels like they're straight up enemies instead of rivals the moment they meet.
It'd be refreshing if there was one rivalry or two where the evolved form wins every bout because, realistically, that's what would happen. I can't recall a time where that's happened as the unevolved usually wins or has the last (i.e. decisive) win of the respective series.

I guess there is Ash's Snivy and Trip's Serperior as an exception. Even though their score is a draw since both won a battle against each other, Serperior got the last victory.
 
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