BDSP Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl General Discussion

[Esserise]

You can clearly see all the time and attention went to Legends Arceus

The games are made by different companies.

Two of your examples here are postgame content, though? It's a little soon to rule out that BDSP won't have that. (I'm pretty sure ORAS trailers didn't show the Delta Episode, either)

One did, but it was a lot closer to release

 

[Defiant]

The games are made by different companies.



One did, but it was closer to release

Masuda is supposed to be working on BDSP

 

[Esserise]

Masuda is supposed to be working on BDSP

Yeah, and? That’s one GF guy co-directing BDSP alongside ILCA’s own Yuichi Ueda. ILCA’s team is not Game Freak’s team, so they’re not putting their respective time and effort into the same things anyway.

 

[Minya_Nouvelle]

The scene in the trailer when the buizel runs up to you on Route 202 has been bothering me. It doesn't seem like its your buizel, but one that's about to fight you. From the Switch OLED trailer, we saw the player fighting a buizel without the Poketch.

Putting these things together leads me to believe that the buizel is some kind of new static encounter event.

I know they can add whatever they want, but this just seems random.

 

[Defiant]

Yeah, and? That’s one GF guy co-directing BDSP alongside ILCA’s own Yuichi Ueda. ILCA’s team is not Game Freak’s team, so they’re not putting their respective time and effort into the same things anyway.

If you believe equal time and effort has gone into both and one doesnt look like it's had far more put into it you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to disagree

 

[TechSkylander1518]

If you believe equal time and effort has gone into both and one doesnt look like it's had far more put into it you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to disagree

Sure, but making the claim that attention is being diverted to another project that the staff aren't working on isn't really reasonable. I can express an opinion that I think Bulbagarden site maitenance has had errors because the staff was putting more time in on updates for Youtube, but it doesn't mean it's a logical conclusion or fair to those involved.

 

[NealIRC]

So the underground Sinnoh has new areas, awesome. But disappointed the map didn't show a sewer area for Poison pokemon to dwell.

Looks like Arceus will have lots of Gen 5 regional forms heh. Who could use an evolution?

I hope there's a way to remove the beret-hat.

 

[Esserise]

If you believe equal time and effort has gone into both and one doesnt look like it's had far more put into it you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to disagree

That’s not even my point of contention (at the moment at least). All I’m saying is that however much “time and effort” went into each is only comparable in the abstract, since they’re made by completely different teams. You might as well talk about how much more time and effort is going into BOTW2 compared to Arceus - they’re unrelated games altogether, so one’s development has no bearing on the other.

Legends is made by Game Freak, who aren’t involved with BDSP, so of course all their effort is going into Arceus - it’s the only thing they’re working on (well, ignoring any Gen 9 shadow development that is almost certainly underway). Masuda is the lone exception, and he’s probably not playing a major role in the development of Arceus, because he’s more-or-less moved on from directing big new projects and taken up more of a producer role. So he’s free to help out ILCA, whose only project that we know of is BDSP. So all their “time and effort” certainly could be going into that.

For what it’s worth, obviously I can see that Arceus is the more ambitious title. But to me that doesn’t really impugn the quality of BDSP. ILCA were given a project that is fundamentally not as complicated, so it’s not going to require as much work anyway. If the end result seems like it wasn’t as intensively developed as Arceus, all I can really conclude is… duh? They set out to make straightforward DP remakes that look polished and function smoothly. They weren’t asked to revolutionize gaming. The assignment is what it is, and I have no reason to think they haven’t taken their assignment seriously, regardless of how much more or less it requires compared to Arceus.

(I also think most of the Pokémon fandom - myself included - isn’t really qualified to assess how much effort went into any particular project. Game development can be complex work, even for seemingly simple things.)

 

[Defiant]

So you're just looking for an argument where one doesn't exist as nowhere have I said that BDSP and LA are being developed by the same people.

My original comment was,
"You can clearly see all the time and attention went to Legends Arceus"

And you don't actually seem to disagree with that, you just want to make a point that ILCA is behind BDSP. Yes, noted, thank you.

 

[venusboi79]

So you're just looking for an argument where one doesn't exist as nowhere have I said that BDSP and LA are being developed by the same people.

My original comment was,
"You can clearly see all the time and attention went to Legends Arceus"

And you don't actually seem to disagree with that, you just want to make a point that ILCA is behind BDSP. Yes, noted, thank you.

Typically the phrasing you’re using is meant to imply that multiple tasks/activities were performed by one person (or in this case, a singular studio), and one of them was obviously given more attention.

Apparently that wasn’t your intent, but that’s where the “argument” is coming from.

 

[Tyler53841]

One good thing about including the Platinum expansion in this is that the original DP Pokedex had balancing issues on types like the Fire, Electric, or Dragon-type Pokemon and like Platinum it balances it out better. Only difference from back then is the addition of the Fairy-type.

At least Volkner or Flint's teams won't have any Pokemon that were not part of their type speciality like in the original Diamond and Pearl.

 

[SeanWheeler]

So trainer customization is in the game. I thought the chibis ruled out the possibility of customization, but I guess I was wrong. Looks like we're getting the Platinum Dex, but considering that screenshot of Bidoof's status screen, the National Pokédex may be back too. Otherwise, why would that screen show #399 if they are retiring the National Dex?

 

[Puddle]

Has anyone else noticed how the overworld Pokemon aren't chibi-fied? It's not a huge deal - I'm just over the moon that we're getting following Pokemon - but it is kind of odd how the player character has a big head but Lucario doesn't.

 

[Bolt Strike]

One good thing about including the Platinum expansion in this is that the original DP Pokedex had balancing issues on types like the Fire, Electric, or Dragon-type Pokemon and like Platinum it balances it out better. Only difference from back then is the addition of the Fairy-type.

Actually Dragon is still pretty bad, even in Platinum you only had Garchomp and Altaria. It's just less noticeable because there's no Dragon type specialist in Sinnoh whose roster needs padding out with random types like they did with Candice, Volkner, and Flint.

 

[venusboi79]

Actually Dragon is still pretty bad, even in Platinum you only had Garchomp and Altaria. It's just less noticeable because there's no Dragon type specialist in Sinnoh whose roster needs padding out with random types like they did with Candice, Volkner, and Flint.

Technically, there’s also Dialga, Palkia and Giratina…

But I get your point.

 

[SinnohEevee]

They said it will be faithful. Faithful means faithful.

 

[KirbyBulba737]

They said it will be faithful. Faithful means faithful.

But what does faithful mean?

 

[Mistresspaie]

After this I’m a lot more confident in Ilca handling remakes in the future. Faithful nostalgia (Ie no dumbing down like ORAS did in places) plus new features that were absent at the time is the way to go and I’d love to see them remake HGSS in the same style as BDSP. Gen 5 However I’d personally prefer a non chibi look considering it’s a more mature Gen but still I think future remakes are in good hands if Ilca continues them.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

After this I’m a lot more confident in Ilca handling remakes in the future. Faithful nostalgia (Ie no dumbing down like ORAS did in places) plus new features that were absent at the time is the way to go and I’d love to see them remake HGSS in the same style as BDSP. Gen 5 However I’d personally prefer a non chibi look considering it’s a more mature Gen but still I think future remakes are in good hands if Ilca continues them.

I’ll only take that if it means we keep getting radical games like Legends. We don’t need another faithful Johto remake. A breath of fresh air and lore along with a non-stagnant art direction would be nice, specially since we're expected to pay full price for it.

 

[Poke Dragon]

There's still more marketing left, do you really think Pokemon will only release one more trailer when there's still 3 months to go before release and that's it? I'm confident that there's more they are hiding.