Pokemon Stars Discussion Thread (Speculation)

[TechSkylander1518]

And and the 3DS family is much, much cheaper, and has a much, much bigger library. My point is that the Switch is supposed to be a home console and handheld in one, but it is far too expensive to compete with the 3DS family as a handheld, and will be more expensive than the PS4 and Xbone as a home console. It is in a tricky situation, at least at launch.

The 3DS has been around since 2011. Of course it has a lower price and bigger library than something that's literally just come out. That's going to be the situation with most consoles at launch.

You should know that a big portion of the people in the world don´t have enough money to buy more than one home console, and therefore have to choose which one they wanna buy. And that´s where the Switch is at disatvantage: it is coming late to the party, since a lot of homeconsole users have already bought either a PS4 or an Xbone.

The PS4 and XBox1 have been out since 2013. (and just one year after the WiiU's release) That's not a party that the Switch is late for-it's a party that's reaching its end. And the Playstation and XBox lines are developing new consoles as well, if I'm not mistaken.

If the Switch was at least a bit cheaper, it could attract the portion of buyers that don´t have a home console yet thanks to it´s attractive price, but no, the Switch will cost MORE than the competition, because the competition has already lowered it´s price, and the Switch hasn´t yet.

Silly Nintendo! These consoles that have been out for years have already lowered their prices-why haven't you done that already with your console that hasn't even launched yet?

 

[Boss1708]

The PS4 and XBox1 have been out since 2013. (and just one year after the WiiU's release) That's not a party that the Switch is late for-it's a party that's reaching its end. And the Playstation and XBox lines are developing new consoles as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Silly Nintendo! These consoles that have been out for years have already lowered their prices-why haven't you done that already with your console that hasn't even launched yet?

Yeah... sarcasm ain´t gonna help your case. The fact is that the Switch, despite being, as you said, developed 2 years later than the competition´s consoles, it is still less powerful than the competition´s consoles (PS4 and Xbone). And being more expensive than both of those, despite being less powerful than them, is not gonna really encourage people to buy the Switch, at least until they decide to cut down the price.

The Switch should´ve been at least on the same price at which the competition is currently sold. Regardless of your or my personal opinion, tha fact is that the majority of people expected the Switch to be cheaper than it is. I mean, they even discussed this in the normal general news, on Spanish TV saying how the a lot of world wide gaming specialists thought it is overpriced... And you trying to make fun of this opinion won´t change that fact.

As for me personally, I really like the concept of the Switch, and I would gladly get one if Stars is true and turns out to be actually great, and not overhyped like SM was...

The thing is I only buy game consoles to be able to play Pokemon games, and therefore the Pokemon game has to be quite good in order to justify me buying the console. Especially a console that doesn´t have backwards compatibility and therefore I won´t be able to play my DS/3DS Pokemon games on it...

 

[Soki]

When people buy a console, their main thought isn't "which one is the cheapest", but "which one has the games I want to play". The price and 'power' of the console hardly matter in most cases. No matter how much cheaper and more powerful an Xbox is, I would never buy one cause I don't care about its games.

And yes, people who want to play Nintendo games could also buy a 3DS, but I think a lot of people will be willing to pay more to:

• be able to play games on a television screen
• be able to play all the new games
• be able to play games with way better graphics (and yes a lot of people care about this)
• buy a gaming system that isn't already two years old (the N3DS) with an uncertain future. At least with the Switch you're certain games will be made for it for a few years, while it could very well be that no new games will be released on the 3DS after 2017 as all developers decided to focus on the Switch instead, as it's partly a handheld anyway. And when that happens you have to buy a Switch anyway, and you will have lost way more money in the long run.

Also, both the Xbox One and the PS4 are not cheaper at all where I live (they're the same price or even more expensive), so that 'problem' is non-existent here in the first place.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Yeah... sarcasm ain´t gonna help your case.

Good thing my post wasn't just about sarcasm, then.

The fact is that the Switch, despite being, as you said, developed 2 years later than the competition, it is still less powerful than the competition´s consoles (PS4 and Xbone). And more expensive than both of those, despite being less powerful than them.

They were released in November 2013. That's a little over three years ago, not two. And you're still missing my point-The XBox1 and PS4 aren't the Switch's competition. Like Akira said:

Consider the fact that the current Xbox one and Playstation 4 have been this price for a while, added with the fact that Christmas has just gone, and I'd say it is quite likely that most people who currently want an Xbox one or Playstation 4 already have one by now, and therefore. The more likely question for majority of people wouldn't be 'Should I purchase Nintendo Switch over Xbox or Playstation?" but "Should I purchase Switch or am I satisfied enough with my current Xbox One/Playstation 4?"

I don't understand what you mean by "powerful"-do you mean features or popularity? Which features are more "powerful" in comparison to other consoles is really more a matter of opinion, and the popularity of a console that hasn't even launched is obviously not going to be amazing.

The Switch shold´ve been at least on the same price at which the competition is currently sold. Regardless of your or my personal opinion, tha fact is that the majority of people expected the Switch to be cheaper than it is. I mean, they even discussed this in the normal general news, on Spanish TV saying how the majority of world wide gaming specialists thoight it is overpriced... And you trying to make fun of this opinion won´t change that fact.

I'm not making fun of people wanting the Switch to be cheaper-believe me, the price isn't something I'm overyjoyed about, either. What I'm saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a console to lower its prices to match those of consoles released a while before it. That's not the Switch's competition.

(also, you're being quite broad in your statement of whose opinion counts. "normal general news"? "the majority of worldwide gaming specialists"? Without more clear sources, these are just weasel words.)

 

[Boss1708]

Good thing my post wasn't just about sarcasm, then.

They were released in November 2013. That's a little over three years ago, not two. And you're still missing my point-The XBox1 and PS4 aren't the Switch's competition. Like Akira said:


I don't understand what you mean by "powerful"-do you mean features or popularity? Which features are more "powerful" in comparison to other consoles is really more a matter of opinion, and the popularity of a console that hasn't even launched is obviously not going to be amazing.

I'm not making fun of people wanting the Switch to be cheaper-believe me, the price isn't something I'm overyjoyed about, either. What I'm saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a console to lower its prices to match those of consoles released a while before it. That's not the Switch's competition.

(also, you're being quite broad in your statement of whose opinion counts. "normal general news"? "the majority of worldwide gaming specialists"? Without more clear sources, these are just weasel words.)

Listen, I understand that you, Akira, and most people in this thread are super excited about tha Switch, but believe me, you guys don´t need to defend everything Nintendo does, like the Switch having a higher price than what most people (and most market experts, apparantly) expected, the paid online, and so on. You basically don´t wanna criticize anything Nintendo does, or at least this is my impression.

A big reduction in the price/ a downgraded SKU version/ a Pokemon game bundle are the solutions I am gonna wait for. But I do thing Nintendo are being a bit greedy towards their Pokemon fanbase. And I will criticize Nintendo for this, even if most of you seem to be ok with it.

Anyway, I am not goona continue this argument. Just ignore my Switch ranting if you prefer.

 

[DoctorWhy]

Sorry for the misunderstanding...

For TV, I think they could do it like the Wii, where a virtual hand pointed wherever you pointed your Wii remote.

I also believe that Pokemon Stars can use HD rumble for battle, and Refresh. It would make the experience even better.

No prob!! And that's not a bad idea.

Not that I'm against having a cheaper Switch down the line, but the bolded really makes no sense, because that would undermine and undo the Switch brand name.

A handheld only Switch doesn't help achieve that vision.

Think of it like the 2DS.

Much cheaper version with a slight downgrade to pull in all the customers who don't want to buy the premium.

Hell, they could just sell a normal Switch, take away the console dock, Joycon grip, and HDMI cable, lower the price accordingly, and allow customers who buy this cheaper version to simply buy the necessary parts later if they wish to upgrade their current system. It's kinda genius.

The PS4 and XBox1 have been out since 2013. (and just one year after the WiiU's release) That's not a party that the Switch is late for-it's a party that's reaching its end.

Not really. PS and XB just released upgraded versions of the PS4 and XBO which seems to say this party isn't over for a couple years or so. This also means that PS4 and XBO get a price drop and become (for many) higher quality and more established competition for Switch.

Silly Nintendo! These consoles that have been out for years have already lowered their prices-why haven't you done that already with your console that hasn't even launched yet?

The point is that releasing a new full-priced console in the middle of a generation like this (...where the competition has already lowered prices on higher value hardware...) is a horrible idea.

 

[Boss1708]

I am hyped for the Switch myself, but I am very disappointed that Pokemon is moving on a console that has the price of a home console. One of the many good things about the Pokemon main series games, is how accessible it has ALWAYS (since the beginning) been, for a much broader public than home console games. Since the Game Boy, the total price of a console + game cartridge, has been between 140 and 190 euros/ dollars. And now it will suddenly be between 360 and 400+ , if online is paid.

And what do we win from this for the Pokemon franchise? Better graphics? That is all... Sure, if you think Pokemon is about graphics (I doubt any real Pokemon fan cares about fancy graphics so much... )but otherwise, moving the franchise to a much more expensive console is a quite negative move imo.

Not really. PS and XB just released upgraded versions of the PS4 and XBO which seems to say this party isn't over for a couple years or so. This also means that PS4 and XBO get a price drop and become (for many) higher quality and more established competition for Switch.

The point is that releasing a new full-priced console in the middle of a generation like this (...where the competition has already lowered prices on higher value hardware...) is a horrible idea.

This is what I have been trying to explain to the above users, but they don´t want to understand it...

 

[GreatLiver]

Gotta agree with Soki.

Nintendo hasn't competed head on with Sony and Microsoft for years. Really since the Gamecube era. Yes, they're all consoles, but I find it hard to imagine that most people would get hung up between buying a Wii, PS3 or 360. It was pretty much always either you buy a Wii or either PS3 or 360. While Sony and Microsoft pursued cutting edge processing and graphics, Nintendo went more for accessibility. The WiiU was hurt by having very little 3rd party support because it was a confusing system to develop for, but people hardly buy Nintendo consoles to play 3rd party games. They buy them to play Nintendo properties. I haven't had a system that wasn't Nintendo since the Genesis when I was 5, because the games I care about playing are things like Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Kirby, and Smash.

I personally see 3DS support lasting to the holiday season, after which Switch may shift more focus to its portability. I would be rather surprised if by summer '18 they aren't selling just the Switch screen with Joycons and a charging wire. They basically sell everything that isn't the screen separately, seeing as you can buy multiple docks. It would allow them to drop $100 off the price pretty easily. It really all depends on how well the thing sells in its first year.

 

[Fig]

ADMIN HAT ON

Listen, I understand that you, Akira, and most people in this thread are super- duper excited about tha Switch, but believe me, you guys don´t need to defend everything Nintendo does, like the Switch having a higher price than what most people (and most market experts, apparantly) expected, the paid online, and so on. You basically don´t wanna criticize anything Nintendo does, or at least this is my impression.

No. Just no. You do not post speculating about why other people are making their post, or accusations like this.

They have every right to have a different opinion than you on the price point, and that does NOT allow you to accuse them of just not wanting to criticize Nintendo.

This is basic respect - assuming other posters are posting in good faith. If you can't show that basic respect, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting here.

(This applies to ALL users in this thread ; this particular post was just pointed out to me)

 

[Boss1708]

ADMIN HAT ON



No. Just no. You do not post speculating about why other people are making their post, or accusations like this.

They have every right to have a different opinion than you on the price point, and that does NOT allow you to accuse them of just not wanting to criticize Nintendo.

This is basic respect - assuming other posters are posting in good faith. If you can't show that basic respect, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting here.

Not when the same users have been defending EVERYTHING about the Switch, not just the price, and have been ATTACKING everybody who "dares" to say something against Nintendo´s decisions (or against Stars).

Edit: I even intentionally added the words "or at least this is my impression" to my earlier post, in order to highlight that I am not stating it as a FACT that some users don´t wanna criticize Nintendo, and that it is just my impression, but you still considered it rude and whatnot.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

Listen, I understand that you, Akira, and most people around here are super excited about tha Switch, but believe me, you guys don´t need to defend everything Nintendo does, like the Switch having a higher price than what most people (and most market experts) expected, the paid online, and so on. You basically don´t wanna criticize anything Nintendo does, or at least this is my impression.

I'm not happy about the Switch's price (I said that in my last post), nor am I happy about paying for online services. That doesn't change the fact that it's illogical to expect a newly-released console to be in the same state as consoles released three years ago.

Anyway, I am not goona continue this argument. I am hyped for the Switch myself, but I am very disappointed that Pokemon is moving on a console that has the price of a home console. One of the many good things about the Pokemon main series games, is how accessible it has ALWAYS (since the beginning) been. Since the Game Boy, the total price of a console + game cartridge, has been between 140 and 190 euros/ dollars. And now it will be between 360 and 400+ , if online is paid.

While I certainly agree that the increased price is obnoxious, you're greatly understating the price handhelds have had in the past. A 3DS was 250$ at launch, though it was cut to $170 three months later, and X and Y were 40$ at release. That's 210$, 290$ if someone bought the 3DS before the cut. The new price is certainly still a jump from that, but it's not quite as large as a jump from $140 to $360.

Also, this is assuming that a Pokemon game would be released before any kind of price cut occurs-as X and Y has shown, it's not a guaranteed thing.

Not really. PS and XB just released upgraded versions of the PS4 and XBO which seems to say this party isn't over for a couple years or so. This also means that PS4 and XBO get a price drop and become (for many) higher quality and more established competition for Switch.

Huh, I've missed that news. That's certainly sounding like they'd keep it around for a while, but some articles like this seem to be suggesting a new console could come late this year. I'm not sure which seems more likely.

Not when the same people have been defending EVERYTHING about the Switch,, not just the price, and have been attacking anybody who "dares" to say something against Nintendo´s decisions.

...I've made no attacking comments to anyone, have said that I dislike the Switch's high price, and have not made excessive remarks about the switch itself.[/QUOTE]

 

[Enzap]

I don't understand what you mean by "powerful"-do you mean features or popularity? Which features are more "powerful" in comparison to other consoles is really more a matter of opinion, and the popularity of a console that hasn't even launched is obviously not going to be amazing.

By this people often are referring to processing speed and ability, framerate, and sometimes they lump graphics into that as well. Things like loading time, input lag, frame rate drops, and how much detail they can physically squeeze onto the screen a time is largely influenced by this. In some ways "power" is a buzzword that won't matter to many players (especially long-time Pokémon players and the kids who are in Pokémon's demographic), but there's still a significant portion of gamers who only want to play the best and most powerful consoles who will refuse to buy the Switch on principle alone if it doesn't have the same power as its competitors.

 

[Boss1708]

...I've made no attacking comments to anyone, have said that I dislike the Switch's high price, and have not made excessive remarks about the switch itself.

I didn´t mean you in particular, though. Just the general attitude of most users on this thread.

 

[Fig]

Not when the same users have been defending EVERYTHING about the Switch, not just the price, and have been ATTACKING everybody who "dares" to say something against Nintendo´s decisions (or against Stars).

Edit: I even intentionally added the words "or at least this is my impression" to my earlier post, in order to highlight that I am not stating it as a FACT that some users don´t wanna criticize Nintendo, and that it is just my impression, but you still considered it rude and whatnot.

You're still required to assume good faith, and NO, "at least this is my impression" is not good enough - it's weasel words used to try and get away with making an over-the-top statement about others without suffering the consequences of it.

Further lack of assuming good faith on your part anywhere (or anyone else, in this thread) will be met with warnings and/or infractions.

 

[TechSkylander1518]

By this people often are referring to processing speed and ability, framerate, and sometimes they lump graphics into that as well. Things like loading time, input lag, frame rate drops, and how much detail they can physically squeeze onto the screen a time is largely influenced by this. In some ways "power" is a buzzword that won't matter to many players (especially long-time Pokémon players and the kids who are in Pokémon's demographic), but there's still a significant portion of gamers who only want to play the best and most powerful consoles who will refuse to buy the Switch on principle alone if it doesn't have the same power as its competitors.

Oh, I see! Thank you for explaining!

I didn´t mean you in particular, though. Just the general attitude of most user on this threa.

Oh, my apologies for misinterpreting you.

 

[Boss1708]

You're still required to assume good faith, and NO, "at least this is my impression" is not good enough - it's weasel words used to try and get away with making an over-the-top statement about others without suffering the consequences of it.

But with this, you are indirectly accusing me of using the former expression that I used to"try to get away with it without suffering the consequences". In other words, you are not assuming my good faith either... I just didn´t wanna make a factual statement about a user that I don´t know personally.

Further lack of assuming good faith on your part anywhere (or anyone else, in this thread) will be met with warnings and/or infractions.

Understood. I will try to be more careful.

 

[PurplePopplio]

A PS4 and Xbone here have seen a price drop once, from R6 000 to R5 000. But that is still much more expensive than a Switch, R4 000, even if the PS4 or Xbone include a game.

Even a Switch with a game would still be cheaper than both the PS4 and Xbone. So price isn't really an issue here. It's in fact actually better than the "competitors".

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

Listen, I understand that you, Akira, and most people in this thread are super excited about tha Switch, but believe me, you guys don´t need to defend everything Nintendo does, like the Switch having a higher price than what most people (and most market experts, apparantly) expected, the paid online, and so on. You basically don´t wanna criticize anything Nintendo does, or at least this is my impression.

A big reduction in the price/ a downgraded SKU version/ a Pokemon game bundle are the solutions I am gonna wait for. But I do thing Nintendo are being a bit greedy towards their Pokemon fanbase. And I will criticize Nintendo for this, even if most of you seem to be ok with it.

Anyway, I am not goona continue this argument. Just ignore my Switch ranting if you prefer.

This has nothing to do with me being too 'fanboy' to always defend Nintendo no matter what. if I thought Nintendo were doing something I disagreed with, I'd say it. However, I believe the price is more than fair for Nintendo Switch. It has plenty of good technology put into this console (as opposed to Playstation and Xbox, where their main upgrades is graphics and power). You always mention why people should purchase Switch over the others when the others are more powerful (plenty of people make this argument), however, for so many gamers, power doesn't mean everything. Good graphics doesn't mean everything either. What else can these consoles offer over the Switch besides power? Just because the Switch is less powerful, doesn't mean it isn't powerful at all. I also believe the Switch is a fair price because you're effectively getting two consoles in one. Anyone that purchases both Nintendo consoles and handhelds will no longer need to purchase both consoles separately for much more money. Also, ONE of these consoles have to be the most expensive, and if it is the console that (in my opinion) offers the most and has more unique technology, then that's fine.

 

[StandbyForBattle]

Okay last week, I was on Gaming Journalists Let Pokémon Fans Down for those who have been on Pokejungle last week, what does this stuff mean anyone?

 

[SUP3RN0VA]

Okay last week, I was on Gaming Journalists Let Pokémon Fans Down for those who have been on Pokejungle last week, what does this stuff mean anyone?

It doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. It just sounds like someone was upset about the possibility of finding out about Stars too early, and is upset that they are not yet receiving any actual information in regards to Stars.