I'll protect you.
- May 30, 2012
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Disagree. It’s entirely dependent on the players.It has always been a TWR staple tho, and in the OC days it was even worse since everybody would just give all the info to a single near-cleared town leader at first opportunity.
Nowadays it is only happening either in YLOs (and is still not enough to prevent scum wins) since the setup is designed well enough to not be breakable, or the setup just is breakable no matter when the massclaim happens
When it is not on YLO, it just tends to happen Day 2 as the active roles start talking about invest results or being blocked messages etc. and people want to deny being involved, it is not a conscious decision all at once.
A solution I might consider for future setups is more roles with even night only modifiers, so there is at least enough time until Day 3 to form natural reads without roles getting in the mix : by then usually 4 ppl have flipped, which for our small games (10-13p) usually either includes at least one scum or brings us to YLO anyway.
Too many were dropping softclaims on day one unnecessarily. Frankly I think the issue is people are lacking confidence in their ability without roles. Apparently from what I understand from the thread, you were basically screaming “I’m a mason.” When I was masons with Min we were subtle. We made a plan in case one of us died so the other could be cleared. But we did not scream it like you did. Town is relying too much on roleclaims.
And in the OC days, mafia still had a chance. Town leader was wrong as much as right, and there was usually games being played. I’ve been around since 2012 so I’ve done it all. The games then in OC days we’re role heavy so you couldn’t just massclaim and clear. Now the games often have run of the mill roles for everyone, so it’s rare to get an out there role.
Massclaims are a crutch for town because of how games are designed these days.