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Yeah, I get that, I was just saying that to me it feels a little mean to shun fans of the other two in that way. Then again, I've personally always liked the three Kanto Starters about equally, so I was always baffled by the rather strong fights people got into over which one was the best.

Yeah, but isn't that a bit of a middle finger to those players who picked Bulbasaur or Squirtle instead? Is their contribution to the franchise's success worth nothing just because they dared have different tastes? Why don't players who picked Bulbasaur or Squirtle get to be represented as...

Ah, okay. Yea, I guess that makes sense. I'm not sure if the term Mary Sue will ever actually shake off its negativity, though: you may not see it as negative (and now that you described why, it makes perfect sense why you don't), but unfortunately it's been used in a negative manner for so long...

I never said that a Mary Sue had to be *the* main character, just *a* main character. Because Mary Sues by their very nature get the lion's share of the focus in a story. It's true that you don't necessarily have to be the main-main protagonist to be a focus-hog, but you'd still need to be...

Thanks for pointing out the whole POC thing, because yeah, you're right about that also unfortunately being a factor in people labelling certain characters as Sues/Stus and it's something I should have considered when making the essay as well. I hadn't actually seen it with Leon himself, though...

Okay, wow, I'm glad that I found this thread in light of a similar controversy that's recently centered around one of the anime's current main characters because it actually gives me a chance to talk about Mary Sue as a concept. I'm going to start off by giving the simple, short answer to the...