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To be fair, unlike Tracey, she's not really a main character.I thought the same thing. Poor, poor Chloe. Reduced to a walking, talking Eevee promotional ad.
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To be fair, unlike Tracey, she's not really a main character.I thought the same thing. Poor, poor Chloe. Reduced to a walking, talking Eevee promotional ad.
That doesn't really make it any better. If anything, that makes the problem worse. Journeys not having a prominent female lead has always been such a terrible and odd choice to me. When your only young female character showed up as much as Tracey, who was only part of the cast for a small arc as opposed to a whole series, then that's a huge red flag. I'm not surprised that Chloe has shown up so rarely, but it is such a shame. Not even becoming a trainer with a popular Pokemon like Eevee as her partner really gave her much of a boost in screentime. Limiting her focus episodes to meeting Eevee evolutions, while kind of fitting with her relationship with Eevee, prevented them from doing enough with Chloe. She really should have become a proper main character and joined Ash and Goh way more often after becoming a trainer.To be fair, unlike Tracey, she's not really a main character.
Goh is barely even the pokemon go stuff now. His captures have reduced by a significant amount. Most likely because the staff knew that kind of goal doesn't work in the animeAlso remember in a lot of the earlier episodes Koharu would only appear for like 2 minutes of an episode and that's it, so technically she's even in less full episodes overall if you don't count that.
Overall though there really wasn't much to do with a female lead. With Ash doing battles and Go doing the Pokemon Go-esque stuff, Koharu would either have to do contests again (which we saw an episode of with Serena), or well...nothing else. The writers in 25 years worth of time have never let one of Ash's female companions do the Gym quest to get badges, so they basically don't see that as an option.
It has been 12 episodes or so since he last went on a real pointless catching spree. I still think they never should have even taken the original direction they did for Goh. It just doesn't work.Goh is barely even the pokemon go stuff now. His captures have reduced by a significant amount. Most likely because the staff knew that kind of goal doesn't work in the anime
I don't think that the issue was that there wasn't much to do with a female lead when they easily could have incorporated Chloe more than they did. If she wants to figure out what path she wants to take with Eevee, actually seeing more of the world and trying out different goals, not just have it limited to meeting Eevee evolutions and their trainers, could have gone a long way to make her more fleshed out and part of the main cast. As much as I would have loved to see Contests return in the anime, I don't think that would have worked for Chloe, if only because she would need to capture more Pokemon and battle more often. Gyms also wouldn't be an option for the same reasons. Not to mention it would have been way too late to start either kind of quest for Chloe by the time she became a trainer. They didn't let the female companions do Gyms before because two main characters battling the same Gym Leader would have required at least two battles for eight Gyms, which would have been repetitive and made the pacing worse.Overall though there really wasn't much to do with a female lead. With Ash doing battles and Go doing the Pokemon Go-esque stuff, Koharu would either have to do contests again (which we saw an episode of with Serena), or well...nothing else. The writers in 25 years worth of time have never let one of Ash's female companions do the Gym quest to get badges, so they basically don't see that as an option.
You can really see how the episode list drops when each gen only became 3 years. Also sad to think May probably would have been in as many eps as Dawn if she got to come back when ORAS did in 2014 and again in Journey's.
Gee. It isn't like the beloved, OG female companion/lead didn't have an active goal and was largely along for the ride for three sag- Oh wait.I don't think that the issue was that there wasn't much to do with a female lead when they easily could have incorporated Chloe more than they did.
Misty's goal wasn't really established until Master Quest. Until then, she just acted as a tutor character for Ash.Gee. It isn't like the beloved, OG female companion/lead didn't have an active goal and was largely along for the ride for three sag- Oh wait.
That's not really true on both accounts. Misty's goal was established much earlier than Master Quest. She definitely talked about being a Water Pokemon Master during Kanto. They didn't really give her much to do for that goal until the Whirl Cup, but that isn't the same thing as not establishing her goal until Master Quest. I also wouldn't say that she acted like a tutor character for Ash for most of the original series. I think that would only apply to the Kanto portion of the series at most. Ash didn't really need a tutor character, much less two of them, by the time Johto started.Misty's goal wasn't really established until Master Quest. Until then, she just acted as a tutor character for Ash.
That's not really true on both accounts. Misty's goal was established much earlier than Master Quest. She definitely talked about being a Water Pokemon Master during Kanto. They didn't really give her much to do for that goal until the Whirl Cup, but that isn't the same thing as not establishing her goal until Master Quest. I also wouldn't say that she acted like a tutor character for Ash for most of the original series. I think that would only apply to the Kanto portion of the series at most. Ash didn't really need a tutor character, much less two of them, by the time Johto started.
HM already addressed how these points aren't accurate, so I won't belabor them. I will say that the point of my earlier jest (that I think people may have missed barring HM) that you commented on is that the argument of Chloe not having a goal or an active goal is not an excuse as to why she couldn't be featured in episodes with Ash and Go. We've had female companions with passive goals be present in an entire saga and Serena infamously took around a fourth of her saga before she decided on something tangible (and she still appeared and got to do things in the interim). You don't have to have a goal to be allowed to be present.Misty's goal wasn't really established until Master Quest. Until then, she just acted as a tutor character for Ash.
That is surprising. I don't think I knew that before. Although, that would probably be another reason why they thought that Misty had the weakest reason for being part of the main cast when they were deciding on who to replace for AG.Not super relevant to the discussion at hand, but I want to point out that Misty's "Water Pokemon Master" goal only existed in the dub until the Orange Islands arc. For over 90 episodes, she really didn't have a stated goal (other than shaking Ash down for a new bike).
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I was referring to a proper Contest, not the Contest Lives that Serena takes part in. It just seems like a shame to showcase Serena's Contest Live and not show what Contests Dawn takes part in too.Well Koharu does technically compete in a contest, even if there's no battle round. I do hope Koharu/Dawn meet up one more time, especially now that she met Serena too, she can also tell Dawn about Serena and Contest Lives.