Nerfing the Fairy Type

[Matleo]

Just try removing Flare Blitz (a recoil move) out of the meta and see all the physical fire types lose their importance.

And all the moves you're suggesting as counters ARE LISTED AS 'USUALLY USELESS MOVES' on showdown. That says volumes about their rarity.

thats a right argument.
what about a special recoil move? we dont have something like that.

what moves I suggested as counter? bullet punch is usually usesless?
and that new steel type trapping move? or did you had something other in mind?

How many poison and steel cross/dual types do we have already? how many are faster then fairies?

if they create a fast poison priority attaking move would that help? taking that steel is immune, rock , bug and poison resists poison?


what about making psychic SE against fairy or maybe adding it a resistance? what more SE or restince? or both? if they are types that build a good type combo then maybe psyhic could be used to nerf fairy well.

(dragon/ghost- soul structure- immune to special attacks ; that would nerf special fairy type users the right way and would buff physical ice attackers and all ice walls the right way; this is a joke, but true in those cases)

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Psychic doesn't need to go back to generation one level of OPness. You're basically ignoring the best solution: bug getting another super effectiveness. It's shooting two birds with one stone: buffing and nerfing bug and fairy respectively.

AS TO YOUR ARGUEMENT ABOUT 4x weaknesses:

Many Pokémon have 4x weaknesses (Lunala as a legend, has 2) so deal with it.

 

[SinnohEevee]

Psychic doesn't need to go back to generation one level of OPness. You're basically ignoring the best solution: bug getting another super effectiveness. It's shooting two birds with one stone: buffing and nerfing bug and fairy respectively.

AS TO YOUR ARGUEMENT ABOUT 4x weaknesses:

Many Pokémon have 4x weaknesses (Lunala as a legend, has 2) so deal with it.

Don't Fairies have insect characteristics in stories? Maybe that could justify Bug resisting it.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Don't Fairies have insect characteristics in stories? Maybe that could justify Bug resisting it.

Some are also branch-like or something. Since Bug is super effective against grass, it a super effectiveness as well as a resistance for bug can be justified easily.

 

[SinnohEevee]

Some are also branch-like or something. Since Bug is super effective against grass, it a super effectiveness as well as a resistance for bug can be justified easily.

Reminds me of the Flabébé line.

 

[Matleo]

fairies are protectors of nature I dont see their moves making neutral damage to grass or bug if fire ,steel and poison got resistances... water better not get a resistance to it.

On the other hand bugs are not very powerfull beeings, flying would rather loose a resistance first to them then fairy, fairies are rather powerfull like dragons in category of resistance.

But how many poison and steel types do we have with a partial bug typing? that should be enough? how many bug types learn steel and poison type moves?

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Bug/Steel types are haunted with a double fire weakness (which cripples them a LOT). Only really great ones can survive the meta (the leading is Mega Scizor, and Durant is less than meh).

 

[Matleo]

Bug/Steel types are haunted with a double fire weakness (which cripples them a LOT). Only really great ones can survive the meta (the leading is Mega Scizor, and Durant is less than meh).

what is their speed in comparission to fairies?
I know but you self stated that many pokemon got 4x weakness? then why weaken fairy more? why making bug stronger if you only complain?

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Because bug types are already crippled and fairies are going strong.

Please check the amount of bug types OU and above vs the number of Fairies OU and above.

 

[zakisrage]

I think we need a Steel/Poison Pokemon (maybe based on lead or asbestos since those are poisonous?). It would have a 4x resistance to Fairy.

 

[lavandula]

Make ice resist fairy... though it makes no sense.

 

[Matleo]

Because bug types are already crippled and fairies are going strong.

Please check the amount of bug types OU and above vs the number of Fairies OU and above.

what about Shedinja is fairy counter or not? is is immune to their moves.
How many fairies can beat it?

if bug and grass would resist fairy that would be enough I think, pokes like Parasect would get new niches to be good at. Especially if they have a fairy/grass counterpart in the oposite game.
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some bugs would really nead a Leech Shield.(would be a great combo with leech life)
bugs... maybe its tyime that bugs got immunity to the flinching or the confuse status+ a resistance to sound moves? that would be enough.

How Do Insects Hear?

Setae
The larvae of Lepidoptera and Orthoptera use small hairs, called setae, to gather the vibrations of sound. Caterpillars often respond to such sounds by exhibiting defensive behaviors. Some will stop moving completely, while others may contract their muscles and rear up in a fighting posture.

Labral Pilifer
A structure in the mouths of certain hawkmoths enables them to hear ultrasonic sounds, such as those produced by echolocating bats.


The labral pilifer, a tiny hair-like organ, is believed to sense vibrations at specific frequencies. Scientists note a distinctive movement of the insect's tongue when they subject the captive hawkmoths to those sounds. In flight, the hawkmoths can avoid a pursuing bat by listening for these frequencies.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

Shedinja is in fact, NOT a counter to fairy.

@Matleo, no offence, but you need to study the meta (or atleast have a basic) knowledge of it in order to suggest any new ground-shaking ideas.

 

[Matleo]

Shedinja is in fact, NOT a counter to fairy.

@Matleo, no offence, but you need to study the meta (or atleast have a basic) knowledge of it in order to suggest any new ground-shaking ideas.

yes.. If that would be so easy we would not get Z-moves and fairy type taking how conservative some meta players are...
Shedinja is immune to fairy type attacks and all fairies rather dont have all flying, ghost, dark, fire and rock moves to their disposal?
There is Primarina with Shadow Ball, but if you take Azumarrill maybe rollut , bounce and fling but none of its other moves can do a things against it.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

fairies rather dont have all flying, ghost, dark, fire and rock moves to their disposal?

The most prominent Fairies in the Meta (Xerneas and to some degree Togekiss) have moves that counter Shedinja at disposal. And iirc, most fully evolved fairy types have diverse movesets. Slurpuff has flamethrower, among many others.

 

[Matleo]

What do you think about Ribombee?
its a fairy with rather weak abilities , 5 weakness and 5 resistances, good 124 speed.
But non or less it is a boost both for bugs and fairies.
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some have even sucker punch, but shedinja can use a non damaging move to take it on.

Ok , this is interesting.

Honestly Fairy type is just a ticking bomb waiting to cause disasterous damage - Pokemon X Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs

but Slurry is a typical pure fairy, and with average def , sp.def and hp.

Why not make the "normal type" resist the fairy type?
nope bacuse mega kangaskhan would get a further boost...
but if fairies would resist normal...
or better make the bug type resist the normal type like it resists fighting, that would solve the bugs problem a little.

ice could then resist ghost (and maybe dragon).

and it all would make sense.
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but we all know that types like ice, grass, bug, poison deserve something(a little) more seeing how other types got through out generations like dark, dragon, steel, ghost.

 

[PurplePopplio]

What do you think about Ribombee?
its a fairy with rather weak abilities , 5 weakness and 5 resistances, good 124 speed.
But non or less it is a boost both for bugs and fairies.
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some have even sucker punch, but shedinja can use a non damaging move to take it on.

Ok , this is interesting.

Honestly Fairy type is just a ticking bomb waiting to cause disasterous damage - Pokemon X Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs

but Slurry is a typical pure fairy, and with average def , sp.def and hp.

Why not make the "normal type" resist the fairy type?
nope bacuse mega kangaskhan would get a further boost...
but if fairies would resist normal...
or better make the bug type resist the normal type like it resists fighting, that would solve the bugs problem a little.

ice could then resist ghost (and maybe dragon).

and it all would make sense.
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but we all know that types like ice, grass, bug, poison deserve something(a little) more seeing how other types got through out generations like dark, dragon, steel, ghost.

Poison has received enough of a boost for now by being strong against Fairy. Bug resisting Normal just seems too forced and illogical.

 

[Matleo]

Poison has received enough of a boost for now by being strong against Fairy. Bug resisting Normal just seems too forced and illogical.

ok, Only wanted poison to thaw out faster from the frozen status.

if they already resist fighting why should they not resist normal?
that would boost them a little and normal pokemon non or less learn more fire,flying and rock type moves then regular bugs can handle.
do you know how hard it is to take down some kinds of insects?
the normal type still would be very strong and has a immunity.

 

[PkmnTrainerV]

if they already resist fighting why should they not resist normal?

Becuase Fighting can hit other types Super effectively, but normal can not.

do you know how hard it is to take down some kinds of insects?

Emphasis on "SOME". But mostly I'll just stamp on any insect I see.

the normal type still would be very strongand has a immunity.

1. Anyone who reads the type chart and says that normal is a strong type needs glasses.
2. Normal cannot hit ghost, so that immunity is useless.

 

[Matleo]

Becuase Fighting can hit other types Super effectively, but normal can not

I thought about rather a hord of flies that you try to battle or that insects come and come on like they have not enough.

Emphasis on "SOME". But mostly I'll just stamp on any insect I see.

and how many times you needet to stamp twice to take them down?

1. Anyone who reads the type chart and says that normal is a strong type needs glasses.
2. Normal cannot hit ghost, so that immunity is useless.

scrappy? and that move that takes waway ghost immunity?
+many normal and part normal types like some normal/fairies use it very right.
many normal use ghost and dark type moves, and are faster then some ghosts.
Maybe bugs should be SE to normal and resist normal? that would make more sense then fairy.