Ereshkigal
Far too mouthy for my own good.
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So you think jd is the serial killer that Elie was talking about earlier?
In that case, it was likely jd who killed Elie.
I don't think so. For one thing, I don't think there is a serial killer.
To be honest, Elieson was entirely too certain he was going to die N1. And afterwards, was entirely too happy about it. He was a bad choice for a serial killer for many of the same reasons he was a bad choice for the mafia.
I think Elieson was a vig kill. It was the only way he could prove himself utterly trustworthy to everyone in town, and the only way he would work as town leader is if everyone explicitly trusted him. Too many people people were skeptical of him as leader prior to his death, after all.
Cheff was a better choice both for scum and for an sk for the reasons you outlined for mafia. Unless both mafia and sk chose the same target, we only have two kill options to work with.
Again, I think you're overthinking this. On night one, Mafia has two options.
Option A: go for the power players and hope to Arceus that that aren't being protected by the Doctor. I've already explained why Mafia didn't off Elie. As for me, I'm guessing they assumed that, with Elie deliberately asking to not be protected, I would be the next logical choice for protection. Most mafia teams stay away from this option because of the possibility of getting kill blocked which, this early in the game, could be problematic.
Option 2: go for a low protection priority target and hope to generate confusion with the kill or hit a power role. All in all, this isn't a terrible strategy, because sometimes the players who are the most silent are power roles trying to hide, and it pretty much guarantees a "safe" kill. Cheff had done little to nothing in the game before getting killed, ergo nobody would even think about protecting him, unless he happened to be the Doctor, and, even then, it was possible that he'd think he avoided detection enough to protect someone "more valuable."
So, no, the mafia had no clue about the universal backup. All they knew was that Cheff was a very low priority for Doc protection, and therefore was a "safe" kill. That is why they chose to target him.
There are several people in this game this describes, including Jinjo. Cheff is active enough to at least be considered a possibility for saving for later, just in case. Personally, I would have gone for Jinjo or Pika.
Dismissing him for meta is an equally bad thing to do.
Max is, unfortunately, one of those players who you have to rely on meta for. His playstyle has very little variation from game to game, so what variation does exist is much more telling. He's also consistent in what that variation inevitably represents; if something is a scum habit in one game, it'll be a scum habit in all games.
From what I can see? Max has almost no variation at all from his standard playing method. For Max, that indicates solid town with a role that isn't powerful.
Why?
No, seriously. I know I'm town, but why are you certain I am?
The way you interacted throughout the game when I could read it, plus how you are scumhunting now. Not that you are, but how you're going about it.
That's really as in-depth as I can explain it. I've tried to get others to follow my logic on this before; it always confuses them how seemingly-unimportant things can indicate big aspects of someone. Like, sometimes, simply how someone words a statement can communicate far more than the statement itself was intended to.
It's far from infallible, of course. But face-to-face, it can be pretty difficult for someone to hide something from me, since I'll pick up on things from wording, tone, and body language they don't want to communicate.
I've been wondering that all day.
I think everyone will be until this is all over with.