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Voltorb Flip alongside the slots?

Yes or no?

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Sure, why not.

As long as they keep the slots and let us buy coins *serious face*
 
DRaB said:
Coulda fooled me!

But seriously, if I'm getting frustrated in 100% loose games, I'm not going to waste my time with 95% loose games. And as it stands, you still lose a majority of the time. Also, Pokemon doesn't glorify gambling. The guy who gives you the coin case gives it to you because gambling ruined his life. If that doesn't send a message...
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It doesn't glorify it, but it sets the games themselves up so that you win most of the time. So really, it actually sends conflicting messages.

At least in the later games. I'm not sure about the Gen.1 slots, because Gen.1 is the only generation in which gambling ruins a person's life so much that they give you the coin case.

It's also the only generation in which the Game Corner is important to the plot, so maybe you're not supposed to actually play the slots...?

100% loose games are supposed to frustrate you, since you don't go either way, most of the time. But the Gen.4 slots are something like 1000% to 1500% loose. You get the bonus way too often for it to be real. I started off with 50 coins and haven't bought any since, since I ended up, now, with more than 4000.
 
I wonder if Nintendo could get away with slipping in pachinko and keeping the same rating. I hate that Nintendo's intention of keeping the game a 3+ rating with the PEGI is preventing the games from reaching the upper limit of the ESRB's E rating.
 
RegiRuler said:
I hate that Nintendo's intention of keeping the game a 3+ rating with the PEGI is preventing the games from reaching the upper limit of the ESRB's E rating.
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Why do they care that it's 3+, anyway? A 7+ rating isn't going to make parents cry, "Oh my god my kid shouldn't be watching this" with their seven-year-old child.

And the ESRB even has a 3+ rating, called "ec", or "Early Children". We don't see Nintendo aiming for that.
 
I'd like for the Slot Machines to return, but for Voltorb Flip to remain also.
 
Zekurom said:
Why do they care that it's 3+, anyway? A 7+ rating isn't going to make parents cry, "Oh my god my kid shouldn't be watching this" with their seven-year-old child.

And the ESRB even has a 3+ rating, called "ec", or "Early Children". We don't see Nintendo aiming for that.
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Yeah, if parents were that protective, they wouldn't even give a 3 year old a video game. Certainly not something I think a child that young should be playing.
 
RegiRuler said:
I wonder if Nintendo could get away with slipping in pachinko and keeping the same rating.
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Now that you mention it, Pachinko isn't that well-known in America or Europe. So maybe, just maybe. Maybe they'll mistake it as a Plinko clone.

As long as they make the machines 1000% loose like they did in DP. I'd hate to have a realistic machine that's 95% loose.

Of course, with Reshiram in the picture, that rating is going nowhere but up... :naughty:
 
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I like Voltorb Flip beter than the slots. It requires stategy, something that the slots don't. And it doesn't cost you to play. But we won't know until the games come out in America, since the Japanese aren't slot-wary.
 
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Everyone forget about Roulette in RSE? D8 Dude, Roulette > Slots/Voltorb Flip. I always won at Roulette. They called me "The Roulette Kid!".

No, they didn't. But still, I'd like to see Roulette again...
 
I'm surprised at the number of people that hate Voltorb Flip - 35% of all voters.

Spread the loooooooove!

And yes, I'd like to see Roulette or Card Flip make a comeback as well. Those things actually had calculable odds.
 
Zesty Cactus said:
I'm actually pretty cool with Voltorb Flip, it's grown on me. I still do miss the slots though, but I have my doubts that they'll return...

Seriously just return the ability to buy coins and I'm happy :B
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That was the point of the slots being replaced with the voltorb flip. There won't be any game that makes you put up money to play and potientially loose because that would be gambling and that's what they are trying to avoid. If the game is free to play, you won't need to start with any coins so you won't havevtje option to buy any.

My point is unless gf decides they don't care about putting the slots in the English game and risking higher ratings, you will not be buying coins in black and white. Period.
 
master shake said:
That was the point of the slots being replaced with the voltorb flip. There won't be any game that makes you put up money to play and potientially loose because that would be gambling and that's what they are trying to avoid. If the game is free to play, you won't need to start with any coins so you won't havevtje option to buy any.
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Many kids "gamble" by that definition by going to dave and busters or chuck e cheeses, buying tokens (or loading points onto a card), and playing the games for tickets until you run out. Same with carnivals, theme parks, and even some bigger church festivals!

They can give us the option to buy coins again, by using games that are not slots or gambling. So no Card Flip or Roulette if you live outside japan.
 
It's too bad that we probably won't get slots or espesially roulette, 'cause I liked them - even though I like VF more.
 
You know, I think some real casinos should use the Pokemon gambling system - you can't trade your coins back for cash, only prizes which are in reality worth a very small fraction of the coins you paid to get them. (I mean, 10000 coins for TM 35? Seriously? If I just bought it it would probably be only around P8500 to P9000, but that's P200,000 worth of coins you're talking about there. One coin costs P20, which is about the equivalent of 22 to 23 cents in real life, given current exchange rates.)

That way, they can make the odds really high in favour toward the player, but still have the player ripped off. So then - eventually it is possible to make a profit without luck, but it's going to take a looooooooong time. Longer than you'll have the patience for.

And, of course, have a time limit on the coins.
 
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It would be ideal. Maybe a new game too. Why not a few mini-games to spice things up?

But I doubt the EU would let the slots slide...I don't like how their decision affected other people who aren't in Europe...it's just a game, why don't they understand that?
 
Gligar13 said:
Many kids "gamble" by that definition by going to dave and busters or chuck e cheeses, buying tokens (or loading points onto a card), and playing the games for tickets until you run out. Same with carnivals, theme parks, and even some bigger church festivals!

They can give us the option to buy coins again, by using games that are not slots or gambling. So no Card Flip or Roulette if you live outside japan.
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But at Dave and busters or chuck e cheeses you buy coins to play the games that pay out in tickets. And many of those games give you tickets regardless of how poorly you do. The coins aren't redeemable for prizes and tickets aren't redeemable for further play. And carnivals are just shady as hell anyway.

I see your point though, since it's not like buying poker chips and redeeming the for cash again at the end of a night of gambling. I think they were more or less forced to remove the slots and they just did away with the buying and paying up coins to play just to be safe. And it makes you spend more time and effort in the game corner to earn your prizes instead of just buying them, which I don't see as a bad thing. But still in all honesty, I really doubt they'll bring back the option to buy coins again, especially if they leave the slots out again.
 
Zekurom said:
You know, I think some real casinos should use the Pokemon gambling system - you can't trade your coins back for cash, only prizes which are in reality worth a very small fraction of the coins you paid to get them. (I mean, 10000 coins for TM 35? Seriously? If I just bought it it would probably be only around P8500 to P9000, but that's P200,000 worth of coins you're talking about there. One coin costs P20, which is about the equivalent of 22 to 23 cents in real life, given current exchange rates.)

That way, they can make the odds really high in favour toward the player, but still have the player ripped off. So then - eventually it is possible to make a profit without luck, but it's going to take a looooooooong time. Longer than you'll have the patience for.

And, of course, have a time limit on the coins.
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In japan they already do that with pachinko parlours, where you buy balls, shoot them, and exchange them for prizes worth not as much as the balls are.
They are basically real life game corners.
 
Gligar13 said:
In japan they already do that with pachinko parlours, where you buy balls, shoot them, and exchange them for prizes worth not as much as the balls are.
They are basically real life game corners.
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So the machines are more than 100% loose? (Well, some of them anyway.)
 
The problem with just winning coins, is that it seems so weird to use them. If only because they are coins and should have some use other than just using them for prizes. Tickets or some other "Game Corner" prize would make sense. But coins sound like they can do something more than just getting prizes. Maybe calling them tokens would sound better.

And the flaw with Voltorb Flip, is you will always win, you can't lose anything (and no losing within the game doesn't count, because technically the coins you won aren't yours yet). I know that's what they are trying to do but you should be able to expend your coins in some fashion than prizes.

If they are just going to leave something like "you have nothing to lose" type game format, then they should have a mini-game or more where you use the coins to play. It wouldn't be gambling because you don't win anything, just like most Arcades that just have video games, you use your own money to play the games but nothing is earned except entertainment.

In fact while I doubt they could do this for the DS or 5th gen, maybe someday they could have what "XD" had with the whole battle simulation thing at that one place. The coins could be used there, and maybe if you win, you can get like a ribbon or maybe something that can be exchanged for something. Sure it sounds like gambling, but the thing is it costs money/coins to play said game, and it will always be constant, and you won't get coins (or what you used to play the game) back no matter how well you do, you will only get prizes or prizes that can be exchanged for "better" prizes. And maybe you can have a loser consolation prize, if my explanation sounds too much like gambling.
 
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