on this id have to say 1 thing fricken lapras i mean cmon it takes forever to lvl and once it does get good moves its practically useless because your most likely through the pokemon league already and theres really nothing else to do if you dont feel like completing a certain game fully and even in the anime it was worthless it just sucks this would be one of those pokemon i would classify as a "tm user" because if you are going to use it you most likely will invest tm's/hm's into it and it takes too much work to use its horrible even then its bad cause it ridiculously slow