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I'm gonna have to say DOWN. Linking to videos should be good enough.
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How is that actually any different from people just posting the link to illegal videos, which is already against forum rules?There are tags in vBulletin that allow you to embed videos in posts. There's even a youtube specific one.
Currently moderators and up have the ability to do so.
I am however, going to vote this idea DOWN. Honestly I think there would be issues with copyright, spam and advertising. I can already see some new users trying to post episodes into the animé threads, just to get their channel seen. Links to "funny" videos akin to memes in posts. Spambots going to a new level of advertising with videos. I think it would be a lot of work for the moderators having to view the videos to check if they don't break any rules as well.
Seriously, what will these videos be used for?
What was the purpose of increasing avatar sizes for everyone? What's the point of having a drop-down allowing people to show their favourite badges? That was just a nice little addition as well. Also what's the purpose of allowing every single user to change their name every week? That too is a luxury that doesn't really serve a purpose. There have been many things on this development forum alone that's been approved that one can right off as an addition because "it would be nice". There are legitimate reasons to not implement this, I don't see how this is one when "because its nice" has been a good enough reason for other features.Things should not be added just because it'd be nice. Things have to serve a purpose. And I see no real purpose to adding YouTube Embedding
How is that actually any different from people just posting the link to illegal videos, which is already against forum rules?
And its embedding youtube videos, how far do you think spambots are going to go posting their own advertisements on youtube just to embed it on a forum?
As for meme-videos, how is enforcing that any different from enforcing regular spam rules?
I can see a use for them in the blog section, which is what I am voting this for: UP (for blogs) There's been a few times I wanted to post a video in my blog.
Posting a link means that if you don't want to see what the video is, you don't have to.
And people posting illegal content would have given away the video's content already, and yes, you can see the title, so this brings up one of your other points where mods would have to waste their time to see if videos are inappropriate. More often than not, titles on videos are actually descriptive of their content unless the BMGf user posted it themselves with the intent to be sneaky.Embedding the video means that you see the title no matter what.
And you know what happens to channels that gets too much attention for posting illegal content? They go down, fast. But that's besides the point, they are more eyecatching, which goes back to my original point of why I want them enabled in blogs.Anyone can post their video of the latest episode. The more people see it, the more they can think about going to their channel. It's about getting noticed for more viewers, and a link isn't as eye catching as the actual video itself.
Spambot threads rarely have their posts wiped clean around here, their advertising is still online. If people don't take the time to read their post when they realize they're spambots, why would they take the time to watch a spambot's videos? There's a reason why advertisers try not to make their advertising so blatantly obvious, because people don't like it. And again, the videos aren't going to automatically play. How many people are going to see an embedded video of an iPad in an obviously spambot thread, and go "hey, I wouldn't spend five minutes reading this post, but I'll spend five minutes watching this video!"As I said above, videos get more noticed than links. Manafactures of bots know that the bots are gonna get banned, so they look for ways to get their products noticed quickly. Videos are a good way for that. I don't think you recognise what a spambot can potentially do.
I never said it was different to enforce.
I was looking for more of a "My LPs or AMVs in the shipping forum" not "I want to post a video" which doesn't explain anything more than your vote for UP does.
Videos don't automatically play, its the same as seeing a still picture.
unless the BMGf user posted it themselves with the intent to be sneaky.
And you know what happens to channels that gets too much attention for posting illegal content? They go down, fast. But that's besides the point, they are more eyecatching, which goes back to my original point of why I want them enabled in blogs.
Spambot threads rarely have their posts wiped clean around here, their advertising is still online.
If people don't take the time to read their post when they realize they're spambots, why would they take the time to watch a spambot's videos? There's a reason why advertisers try not to make their advertising so blatantly obvious, because people don't like it.
And again, the videos aren't going to automatically play. How many people are going to see an embedded video of an iPad in an obviously spambot thread, and go "hey, I wouldn't spend five minutes reading this post, but I'll spend five minutes watching this video!"
Now don't you think a video-heavy spambot would just lead people to say "fuck it"? Yeah. Kind of a two-edged sword.
So what's the problem then?
Yeah, embedding videos in blogs would enhance blogging experience.
You already clicked a link to enter the blog, why click another link and then switch tabs between watching the video and reading the rest of the blog?
And exactly, AMV's and LP's or generally interesting battle videos that people want to blog about, would benefit from just being embedded while not actually slowing down an entire discussion thread
whereas your AMVs in shipping forums would actually slow down the loading of a whole thread.
I don't see why you're so against my idea of allowing it for blogs when that basically gets rid of any of the problems outlined about people slowing down the forum. It's not as if individual blogs get as many reads as threads themselves, so "slow loading" for those with slower internet connections ins almost confined to a small space that they may not even check.
And you clearly thought of uses for them
And am I supposed to have planned out all my future blogs where I believe a video would be appropriate?
People's blogs are, often random, and in the event that they wish to show a video in it, why not give the option to embed them? I've seen no argument as to why it would be so bad to enable this in blogs.
tl;dr Can you give me any reasons why this shouldn't be enabled in blogs?
And I've already expressed my opinion on that attitude that "X has to serve a specific purpose" reasoning as justification not to do something. I don't see the difference with the points you brought up, so you'll never use it, and no one else brought it up? It doesn't invalidate those things as options. You just chose to ignore them when making your statement.Here's the thing. Barely anyone who has voted UP has said "I will embed videos for X reason". They don't know what they will do with this option. In my opinion, that makes their vote unjustified. They are voting UP because they like the appeal in being able to embed videos if they wish. Will they actually embed videos though? My conclusion is no, otherwise they would have said so in their votes.
There is no representation here for specific uses for embedding videos. The idea doesn't contribute anything.
I can bring up many examples where people just voted ideas up, and got passed because they merely liked the appeal of being able to do something if they wished. Not to sound like a broken record, but the badge options in the user profiles, and the larger avatars are basically just that, now we can use images 120X120 pixels if we wish, we can tell people our favourite badge, if we wish. That doesn't invalidate the point either, and who are you to say that people who voted up because they liked the prospect of being given the option to do something is an unjustified vote?They are voting UP because they like the appeal in being able to embed videos if they wish
I don't understand why a specific instance need be recorded when I've made my stance clear that it could enhance the blogging experience.You said you wanted to once. What would the video have been?
Slowing it down for the minority that may not even visit your blog. Likewise, if we're going by the logic that "they've clicked your blog so they'll click the video", we can turn that around by saying that they're interested enough to click the blog, they're interested enough to wait for it to load, so that's a null point. I've already expressed my opinion as to why it would be usable in blogs:A user who cares about a blog's video would click on a link provided in the blog, given that they have seen a preview of the blog from the blog index, and so you have their attention already. There's no need for eye-catching, you have their attention already. Also slowing down for the minority. No slowing down at all in my opinion is preferable
Can see what it is from the title, can see it from the box that appears for the video to play in etc.
So you give them another way to annoy and advertise, it doesn't automatically mean that spambot activity would increase on the forum because we embed videos. That's why I've never understood the point of this, if people listened to spambots already, I doubt a video would change very much other than slowing down people with slow internet connections, in which case its counterproductive for them and actually helps with the whole spambot issue.You assume that everybody hates spambots and that nobody ever buys what they advertise. People do, otherwise this method of advertising would have been dropped years ago.
Same point as above, they have another tool for spamming, but it doesn't mean that their activity will increase, which is why I see this spambot thing as a moot point.Those who cba to read but would watch a video? *shrug*
Essentially you're giving a spambot another tool to utilise for something that nobody else has really expressed how they are going to use it.
I've rephrased it up there already but here it is again: Video = slow load time, Concern of people is spambot advertising, people get frustrated at slow load time only to see advertising, you don't waste another five minutes giving the spambot your attention.I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Would you mind re-phrasing?
If its rarely used then they don't have to moderate it as much do they? Again, people act as if allowing this would suddenly have an embeded video on every thread.Can't speak too much from this point of view, but I doubt mods want to moderate videos that nobody has expressed an actual use for, as in, something that is needed or a defined purpose. Blogs are not a defined purpose, as their subject matter is incredibly varied.
I don't know, why don't you ask the people who blog about shipping, battling and the video game in general, because those blogs do exist.Why would you blog about these when you have forums dedicated to Shipping, the Video Games and Comepetitive Battling?
You've said that blogs do not get the same traffic as forums do. Blogging would create less views than posting a link in a thread in those forums would do.
And if you want people from these forums to view the blog, what would you do? Link them to your blog.
Random. No measure of judging what the videos content will be if enabled in blogs, aka, no reason to test it to begin with.
Add the fact that there is only one person who will probably say what they wanted to embed in a blog (yourself), the numbers don't give justification to test embedding in blogs.
I'll also say that this thread title has been viewable on the main index for a few days now and nobody really seemed that bothered to express what they would embed.
Apparently because it gets more channel views. Honestly, if the link gets removed, then I'm sure mods would remove the video as well. And again, people are acting like allowing videos to be embedded would suddenly lead to an upsurge of users showing illegal videos.Just one thing, not sure if this has been said already.
If a user posts a link to a video with illegal content, how is it worse than a youtube video embedded.
If a user posts a link to a video with illegal content, how is it worse than a youtube video embedded.
For the purposes of the forum, if we were to implement this, they'd be treated the same as infractions go.
So are you saying that it will be handled the same as linking?
Please elaborate.
No he meant that if the video violated a rule (such as if it was a video of a Pokemon episode) then the poster would be infracted/warned.